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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg ladies and

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gentlemen Chris O'Brien is still

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recovering he's an award-winning

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filmmaker courtesy of the folks who

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voted for him and the people who came at

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the International Folk Congress had lots

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of fun there especially when Bryce

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Sables start doing the para cast and

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trying to upstage Chris O'Brien yeah

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which is not hard to do no I know so

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therefore we it was fun no gene it was

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fun it was good seeing you again I

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really do like the concept of being in

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the same room doing these shows it just

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I don't know doing this thing over Skype

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is okay but you know there's something

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you'd have to drive down here to Phoenix

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yeah and you'd have to get reimbursement

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from the network we'll have to give them

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a budget the network has to give us a

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budget you know most talk shows have no

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budget so they have to give us a budget

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so that we can take Chris down here to

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do shows that's how it's going to work

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but I was thinking here just as we did

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that show the attendance you were

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telling me is a little bit down from

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last year it's not because of lack of

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interest in UFOs it's a speaker line up

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sure the guests were not as compelling

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we have some pretty good people there

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but others were standing on my neck yeah

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well what can you do like I told him you

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know when they announced our film as

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winning the eby's I mentioned in my

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acceptance speech that did you know I

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kind of told everybody that they should

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do make sure and enjoy the chicken

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buffet but go go easy on the true

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believer kool-aid this was not rubber

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chicken was it a pretty good chicken no

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I wasn't I wasn't that impressed I

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expected better but but it was good it

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was good enough well at least of course

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you could feed your face there any

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interesting anecdotes from the time that

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you roamed the highways and byways a few

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things came up I spoke with this one

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gentleman very very

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right guys Menza society bright smart

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and he showed me some really interesting

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research that he had been doing

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concerning the the Greystoke mansion on

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the highest hill in Beverly Hills that I

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think was built in the 20s or 30s and he

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was explaining to me how it was actually

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built like a giant transmission device a

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really compelling information to he'd be

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a a good potential guest possibly for

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the para cast was some of his work he's

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into sacred geometry and how particular

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building materials and designs can be

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used for interesting magical and

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technological purposes and it's where

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the the movie you owe it witches of

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eastwick was filmed in this mansion the

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movie with Jack Nicholson cher Michelle

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Pfeiffer and I forget who else was in it

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they tried to make a TV series of that

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and it flopped yeah okay now one other

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thing we had that we had a close

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encounter by the way so to speak well

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really with Whitley Strieber

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oh right and you know I said snowball's

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chance in hell

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use this blue snowball mic on last

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week's show that's why he keeps talking

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to us about the snowball's chance in

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hell anyway I was talking about getting

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Whitley on the show right which is the

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same show I asked Whitley you know and

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he starts ranting about well all these

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people attacking me in the forums again

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I said you know what our forms consist

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of believers people in the middle and

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skeptics he said well that must reflect

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them your audience I say it's a fraction

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of our audience let's be honest probably

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2% of our audience goes to the forums

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that forum got the power cast come not

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because they're bad forms in one of the

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larger forms of paranormal discussion on

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the planet the thing is here most people

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don't have the time to go places like

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that so they don't participate but I

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said look you're getting a nationwide

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worldwide audience and unlike most

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paranormal shows Chris is a real

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paranormal field investigator I am a

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real broadcast journalists we're going

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to be fair with you we're not going to

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ask you softball questions but we're not

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going to attack you were going to ask

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you questions and he says well you know

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what I finished doing it refused my

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current book maybe well my next book is

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out and he ran out as fast as he you

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know it's kind of like if you remember I

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told the story on this show on the tech

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night a live of a couple of encounters I

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had with the late Steve Jobs the guy of

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course was co-founder of Apple the

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famous tech guru and inventor and I

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remember talking to him a couple of

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times and when he got his fill of me

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which would be very quick of course as

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most people just want to run away from

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me when they meet me the first time he

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would continue to answer the question as

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he walked away as fast as he could and I

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think Whitley Strieber must have

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remembered something or learned

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something from Steve Jobs he's he's a

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real strange fish I'm telling you I did

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it was a couple of book signings with

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him years ago and I mentioned that I had

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had a group sighting in New Paltz at one

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of the pivotal weekend's that are

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mentioned in communion night of course I

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didn't find out about the correlation

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till years later but I think I've

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described the sighting on the show and I

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mentioned this to him and he has what

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the date was and I gave him a date and

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he he literally turned on his heels and

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ran away from me and that was the last

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time I ever talked to him and then I see

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him at the show and he goes oh no we've

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never met and I said oh yeah we have he

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sees an interesting fish I don't know

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what to make of him he's a very very

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accomplished writer incredibly good

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writer but he shouldn't be so

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temperamental I mean you know if his

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experiences are precisely as he says

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they are okay if he's telling us the

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truth he should be happy and he's been

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in the media for years to defend himself

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and the answer the question that worried

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about the fact that I might ask him a

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tough question because I will or that

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our listeners will deliver questions

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that are tough because they will or

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Chris won't ask a tough question because

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if what he says is true if his

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experiences are genuine he should

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understand that people are going to be

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skeptical and they're going to want him

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to buy

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proof if he can provide it or just the

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logic of his descriptions to answer the

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questions and the invitation cell after

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him but he shouldn't be afraid of this

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you know just going on there for a

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lovefest for a couple of hours that

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might happen on some shows it's not

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gonna happen on the power cast well

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since what 87 88 he's had this rabid you

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know fan base who just you know accept

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everything that he's written about his

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alleged experiences at face value and

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that's obviously how he and Ann prefer

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it they like to be surrounded by the

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sink offense and the the worshippers

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somebody to what I was seeing around

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Stan Romanek one thing that was a little

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erickson for me as but Bruce Maccabee

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I hope hopefully he's okay it's unlike

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him to cancel at the last minute but

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Bruce had to cancel and instead of

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grabbing any number of very accomplished

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speakers and researchers investigators

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who are in there at the conference they

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quickly turned around and filled the

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slot with Stan Romanick and his wife

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Lisa and Moritz you think here this had

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to be a last-minute decision we

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understand but this is the opposite of

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what Bruce Maccabee would have done

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totally the opposite we had a really

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interesting show today because we're

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going to look at strange things possibly

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ancient astronauts or godlike beings of

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the past and you've assembled a guy here

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named Scott Alan Roberts Chris tell us

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well Scott's a very interesting guy I'm

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really not that familiar with his work

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prior to this but he has a book out on

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the Nephilim which i think is a very

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interesting intriguing topic of course

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the Nephilim were the godlike giants

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that existed supposedly with thousands

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of years ago and of course I mentioned

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in the Bible and in Zecharia Sitchin's

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work you'll find mentioned so I think

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the the historical aspect of this and

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how it was documented in some of the

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ancient texts is is a very intriguing

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subject and I think

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one that our listeners will be

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fascinated with and he has a magazine

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out called intrepid by the way it's

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boldly going somewhere and I guess we're

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going to have to find out where he's

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taking it and also about that book which

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I've been looking at as we've been

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talking the rise and fall of the

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Nephilim the untold story of fallen

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angels Wow

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he's got quite a picture there you know

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you have this gentleman with the wings

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and you have this woman who's rather

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attractive looking on the cover might be

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just enough reason to buy the book Scott

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Alan Roberts coming up next you're in

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the para cast

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has a new book called the rise and fall

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of the Nephilim the untold story of

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fallen angels giants on the earth and as

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I was saying Scott before you joined us

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I like the picture especially of that

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woman on the cover I think I make a

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blank you right she based on a live

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person or just a drawing well that was a

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painting and I cannot pronounce the

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guy's name he's one of the I guess the

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older masters but not as old as your as

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your Renaissance masters somebody in the

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late 1800s can't remember his name it's

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in the book it's a French name but that

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is actually a picture of Cupid running

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off with call and I can't think of what

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her name is either and it's a I thought

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it was a great picture it was you know

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the whole concept out there behind the

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nephilim for a lot of people is that

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it's it's fallen angels and there was a

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sin gellick connection which I don't

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think there is but that's the way I put

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that picture on that on the cover guys I

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was very evocative of what the topic is

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about

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let's go back into your involvement in

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the subject how you started what is your

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background well my background is

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conservative fundamentalist Baptist

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Bible College and Seminary and that's

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where all my training took place and in

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that setting we were always taught you

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know the Bible is our only foundation

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for faith and practice and while I don't

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want to step on anybody's toes or

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necessarily ascend anybody's religious

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sensibilities I found that that just

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didn't answer some of the questions I

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had so in general you started out is

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what they call in the common vernacular

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the religious right

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yes religious right as a matter of fact

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so my background even involved working

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for people who did work for the more on

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the

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Tea Party as being as far religiously

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right as the Memorial as the moral

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majority I see them in a different vein

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than that I think you've got a lot of

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your religious right that wants to be

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involved with the Tea Party because they

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say well they uphold you know arts to

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our certain standards and I don't know

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why it is but it seems like you see an

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awful lot of conservatives tend to that

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more religious right side and I'm

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conservative but I'm not part of the

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religious right so I bring up that

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notion a little bit myself I understand

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up okay so when you start considering

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the fact of physical beings perhaps they

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came here in ancient times yes

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heresy or what how did you get well

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caught up in this I can tell you this

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the the reason I did a study on the

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Nephilim was I had questions about who

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they were I always saw the passage in

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Genesis and what I didn't know and the

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way it was never taught was that it's

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really the preamble to the the flood of

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Noah's story in the book of Genesis and

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so what I did with this book is I wanted

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to look at the theological slant and say

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if I want to compare it to anything else

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that's out there are other theories that

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are out there I've got to separate

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myself in a bit and look at as part of

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the religious mythology out there of the

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flood stories and the creation stories

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and try to get down to some fact and I

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say rather tongue-in-cheek it's kind of

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like me saying well of course fairies

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exist because the leprechauns say so and

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supporting the the theology from within

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the theology to take a look at it and

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see what it's really saying and once I

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got below the surface of the surface

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stories and the things that we're

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talking church and synagogue things like

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that I found a very different version of

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events starting to come out when you get

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into the Hebrew language and start

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tearing it apart a bit and saying what's

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the subtext here is this a cover story

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for a different kind of an event is it

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just an allegory is it mythology and of

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course you can't prove any of that

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because there's no way to bring any of

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this into into scrutiny unders some kind

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of scientific methodology

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the methodology that that adheres is one

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that says there are so many cultural

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references to this kind of event that

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seem to cross-reference with this only

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with different names different series of

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events across over tie in thread through

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this whole thing that you say something

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happened and something happened big in

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human history but you it's hard to

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eradicate it from theology because it's

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housed in the theological histories of

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so many different cultures okay the

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thing I always wonder about stories like

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this you have similar stories in various

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sacred texts around the world but we

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didn't have 24/7 cable you know a couple

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of thousand years ago so how did these

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stories get spread from one place to

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another or did these advanced beings

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just go everywhere and talk to people

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well here's something I even poke a

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little fun at it in my book it's either

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either there was some huge spiritual

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religious symposium seven thousand years

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ago and they all smoked the same peyote

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and all went back to their their various

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cultures with this story and said we're

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just going to put our twist on it or or

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there was an event or a series of events

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that were commonplace around the world

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and many different cultures experienced

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them as for the flood account which I'll

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reference that a lot because the

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Nephilim are really the preamble to the

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flood account in the Genesis passage the

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Hebrew Bible that story has over 600

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different cultures around the world that

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date back into ancient times that have

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their version of those events and like I

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say the the Hebrew version is Noah but

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then you get into things like as

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outstanding is like the Gilgamesh epic

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and things like that so you've got

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different casts of characters and all

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these different cultures that it'd be

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exhaustive to write a book about it so I

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just named a few in in my book this is

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where you say there is a common thread

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while every different culture seems to

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have their own version of events so did

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these beings appear to all these

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different peoples I think you see it in

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some of the different cultures a one

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that's very outstanding for me because

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of my own roots is the Celtic culture

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you've got the the Tuatha dé Danann the

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children of Danu they were the bright

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shining giant King

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of heaven that came down and

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intermingled with humans and taught them

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knowledge as and saints they are

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actually a synonymous with what became

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known as the elven folk so if you think

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of your thinking to fiction think of

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your Tolkien type of elf the elven folk

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and you've got a picture of who the

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Tuatha dé Danann were supposed to be at

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least putting a quick visual to it and

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they receded into the hollow hills

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eventually and became known as the elven

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so this is one of the cultures it has a

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similar story to these giants and

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they're even called in the Celtic

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tradition they were called the bright

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shining ones the shining kings of heaven

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the Tawaf a' and you start getting into

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even the genesis passage and you find

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that some of these characters are

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referred to as the bright shining ones

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they were like to Psalm 82 which would

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you have God talking to the divine

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council and calling them the bright

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shining princes of heaven what you have

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to do with some of these stories

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especially in the case which it which is

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what I did I went to the Hebrew Bible

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and dug out the stuff there and compared

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it to other things you have to dig

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beneath the surface you have to look at

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how compares to other passages you can't

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always just take and sorry Christians

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and Jews out there you just can't take

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the Bible of face value sometimes just

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like anything else you got a dig and

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find out what it's really saying now

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part of the problem in trying to

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interpret these sacred texts is that

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we're looking at English translations

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and why years ago I knew of a fellow

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Jana Fortner a Hebrew scholar who could

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yeah I saw the daughters of man and was

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inspired that's how it goes right

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oh yes Scott how Ann Roberts joining us

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we're talking about his research process

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okay so how did you take this study of

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biblical text did you try to go back to

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the original language studies or what

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yes as a matter of fact now you

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mentioned a your scholar that you bind

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by name you said he reads and writes 23

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different languages it's about 22 more

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languages and I read or write and that's

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probably about 22 and a half more than I

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do but Yana unfortunately is no longer

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with us I sure wish she was because he

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would have been such a wonderful guest

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on the podcast but he left us before the

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show came to be well what I have done is

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referred to people like him I will go

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and when I was in seminary and we had to

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write term papers and all that and when

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I was in ministry and and we were

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teaching or preaching and we wanted to

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relate to the original language yeah I

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took ancient Hebrew in seminary I took

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ancient Greek ask me today if I remember

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a lick of either of them and I don't

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because I haven't used them much in the

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last 25 years so I go to and I try to

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dig out the source points for people who

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have either talked about this and write

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about it from within a because it was

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from the Hebrew Bible I wanted to go to

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Jewish scholars and I wanted to go to

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two Hebrew scholars in Christianity as

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well Michael Heizer is a guy that comes

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out as a man I called him a couple of

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times in my book I looked at some of his

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research I looked at some Jewish

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scholars I've got them quoted in my book

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I didn't memorize their names and by the

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way when I'm doing these interviews I

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think bad I need to reread my book and

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familiarize myself what I've written I

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know that I'd be right I'm covering all

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my points but yes so I hailed to people

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who know the language better than

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I do and I wrote a chapter about Elohim

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that was by the way one of the very

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first things that caused some of my

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questioning in my faith or at least in

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00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:26,929
my practice was when I came across the

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name Elohim in the Old Testament it's

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the name for God one of the many names

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for God used and in the Hebrew it's a

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low key and it's used almost 3,000 times

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in the Old Testament but never did i

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under have a full understanding of what

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that word meant because when you parse

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it down in the Hebrew it's just like the

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word Nephilim they both had that King

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ending which is in the Hebrew that is a

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plural suffix tacked on to a word to

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pluralize it and so elohim el being the

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name of god the e el which by the way

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hails back to the the sumerian prior to

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the hebrew you've got the word Elohim

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which basically means in translation god

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of many gods or god among many gods it's

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a word that is singular and plural at

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the same time depending on the context

741
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of the words used in the passage around

742
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it and this is the stuff that and again

743
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:20,570
I say in my book I said your eyes could

744
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:22,490
gloss over when we start talking about

745
00:30:26,919 --> 00:30:24,650
the etymology of ancient Hebrew language

746
00:30:28,540 --> 00:30:26,929
but you gotta be impassioned about it

747
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because once you start learning this

748
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stuff it's like opening the door in a

749
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dark room and letting some light in when

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I found out Elohim meant something

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different than I thought in it I had

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been taught that it meant it started

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opening up other doors because you see

754
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how Elohim relates to so many of the

755
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other characters that are involved in

756
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:46,250
the methylene story and the back story

757
00:30:51,910 --> 00:30:49,250
yeah going to Hebrew scholars I have to

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do that because it's like I could talk

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about one cancer but I'm not a doctor so

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I'd have to refer to what doctors write

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:30:58,250
about it to say anything intelligent

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about it to me if you're gonna study a

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:02,570
topic like this you'd better dig a

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little bit and know what the hell you're

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talking about

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and if you don't know it firsthand and

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00:31:11,410 --> 00:31:08,870
you're not the scholar you better refer

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:11,420
to sources who do so you can back up

769
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:13,490
some of your claims of course I guess

770
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:15,050
the big problem in doing this kind of

771
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:18,110
research is to try to take the word set

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00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:20,840
down by people we regard as amazingly

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00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:23,059
primitive these days and try to

774
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:26,150
interpret what they really meant how

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00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:28,100
their culture influenced those

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:29,180
descriptions and

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00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:30,770
translate them to the present day that

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00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:32,750
had be really really difficult yeah

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00:31:36,550 --> 00:31:34,460
that's the hard part that's even the

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hard part if you go to church on Sunday

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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:38,690
that's even the hard part in daily

782
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:41,090
practical stuff that ministers try to

783
00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:42,950
pull out of the Bible when the New

784
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:44,420
Testament tells you that a woman

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shouldn't speak in church and if she has

786
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:47,900
a question she has to go home and ask

787
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:49,700
her husband how does that fly in our

788
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:52,070
churches nowadays you have to look at it

789
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,750
culturally you have to look at the

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audience it was written to and the

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00:32:00,880 --> 00:31:57,830
context and you have to think how many

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00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:00,890
divorces you'd have if behave that way

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00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:02,810
and if I turn to my wife ever in church

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00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:05,090
today yeah you asked me at home while

795
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:07,100
you're cooking dinner you know I'd

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00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:10,670
probably get us black guy Obelix wears

797
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:12,560
like a Randy sailor so she would

798
00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:14,630
probably add some nice blue language

799
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:15,140
with it

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00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:18,050
my wife learned from her mother how to

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00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:19,940
speak proper her mother was just a great

802
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:22,910
person if you crossed her or anyone

803
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:25,160
crossed a member of her family or even

804
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,430
her family by marriage she would use the

805
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,440
proper words to put them in their place

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:33,440
nice yes unfortunately she's no longer

807
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:36,050
with us okay so we look at trying to

808
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:38,750
interpret ancient cultures what they saw

809
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:41,330
now is it possible there is nothing

810
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:43,060
physical involved they all were

811
00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:46,340
spiritual encounters of some sort it's

812
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:48,980
very possible it's like I say about all

813
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:51,470
of this stuff there is no proof for any

814
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:54,110
of it but I compare that to even our

815
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:57,110
science of the day my first chapter in

816
00:33:01,300 --> 00:32:59,090
the book is entitled science Almighty

817
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,310
and the reason I do that is I want to

818
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:03,440
dig into the scientific aspect but say

819
00:33:06,550 --> 00:33:04,760
it's sometimes you got to kick out the

820
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:06,560
props of some of the things that you

821
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,900
think you know whether it be theology

822
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:11,360
religion spirituality skepticism or

823
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:13,220
science you've got to kick some of those

824
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:15,740
props out because while there is no way

825
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:17,660
to prove that the nepheline ever even

826
00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:20,600
existed the same thing could be said you

827
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:23,180
extrapolate that thought over to the

828
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:25,850
evolutionary ascendancy of homo sapiens

829
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:27,770
now science will tell you that there's

830
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,510
there there's a theory of evolution out

831
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:32,120
there now I'm not a creationist but I am

832
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also not a pure evolutionist because I

833
00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:38,210
say this evolutionary science takes as

834
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:40,430
much exponential leaps of faith to make

835
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:43,820
the connections as it does to say God

836
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:46,040
so we're all operating by a certain

837
00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:48,050
modicum of faith if you have all these

838
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:50,360
different stages of what science is

839
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:52,370
identified as the ascendancy of human

840
00:33:58,150 --> 00:33:55,220
evolution there is still to this day no

841
00:34:00,130 --> 00:33:58,160
DNA linkage between any of them there is

842
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,140
still no they're still looking for the

843
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:02,480
missing links and the problem with that

844
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:04,970
is that they put it forth as a solid

845
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:07,430
science when in fact it's a science

846
00:34:11,169 --> 00:34:09,050
filled with gaps that take great

847
00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:11,179
exponential leaps of faith to fill in

848
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:12,919
the holes well the other possibility

849
00:34:17,650 --> 00:34:14,690
could be in the middle which is that

850
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:17,660
each he came here and he did some

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genetic engineering or it did some

852
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:21,770
genetic engineering and here we are

853
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:23,929
that's something I mentioned too is that

854
00:34:28,659 --> 00:34:26,450
it's kind of for me a flip side of the

855
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:28,669
same coin one side of the coin might say

856
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:31,370
it's all this creation the spirituality

857
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:33,770
and this is all correct or you flip the

858
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:36,350
coin over and you say now this is not a

859
00:34:40,659 --> 00:34:38,270
new thought nowadays it was new when I

860
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:40,669
was a kid growing up in the late 60s and

861
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:42,590
the 70s and that was that thought that

862
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:46,970
hmm maybe ancient man only perceived as

863
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:49,400
gods demons Devils angels and all those

864
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:51,320
things in between things that were

865
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:53,510
nothing of the sort but just non-human

866
00:34:58,210 --> 00:34:56,210
intelligences but once again you have no

867
00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:58,220
way to prove either of them happened all

868
00:35:02,080 --> 00:34:59,620
we know is there's we see these

869
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:02,090
quote-unquote evidences it's like this

870
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:04,190
you guys are involved in the paranormal

871
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:06,650
as well I have been as well you can say

872
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:08,390
to a skeptic or a scientist I've got

873
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:10,730
this mound of evidence of EVPs and

874
00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:13,910
things moving on my tape recorder or my

875
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:16,760
DVR and whatever none of that is

876
00:35:21,550 --> 00:35:19,130
acceptable evidence to anybody who has a

877
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scientific or skeptical mind because

878
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they go by the what is the skeptics

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crate oh you know straw Denari claims

880
00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:28,250
involve require extraordinary evidence

881
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:31,400
--is and so anecdotal evidence to a

882
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:33,320
scientist or skeptic isn't going to cut

883
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:35,330
it same thing with this you can't use

884
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:37,880
the scientific method methodology and

885
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:40,250
say to some non-human intelligence in a

886
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:43,570
lab setting and say okay you to start to

887
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:46,250
start procreating and we're going to do

888
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:47,390
this over and over again till we've

889
00:35:51,370 --> 00:35:49,070
proven our hypothesis you can't do it

890
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:51,380
it's not there so what you're using are

891
00:35:56,350 --> 00:35:54,110
these old records that again span many

892
00:35:58,210 --> 00:35:56,360
different cultures to say

893
00:36:01,660 --> 00:35:58,220
now if everybody was writing about a

894
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:01,670
version of this does that does that bear

895
00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:04,220
some sort of scientific methodology in

896
00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:07,400
and of its own in that you can't prove

897
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:09,560
it happen but you can even show that so

898
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:11,120
many different cultures talked about the

899
00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:13,070
same thing but they didn't talk about

900
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,320
the same story so that means they all

901
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had versions of the story they all had

902
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:19,910
versions of the event which says there

903
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:21,830
may have been a common event that they

904
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were all talking about or similar events

905
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that happened to them all yeah and this

906
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is a cross-cultural of tradition as well

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and we'll get into more of fad that very

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salient aspect we're talking to Scott

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and you are tuned in to the para cast

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let me tell you what you're gonna hear

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stuff here

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that you probably won't hear anywhere

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else here that George snoring Jeff Scott

1015
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Alan Roberts exploring ancient advanced

1016
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beings with gene and Chris and the power

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cast as we broke for that important

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interval Chris started to frame a

1019
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question Chris I was gonna make the

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observation Scotty that this is not only

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a Near Eastern or Western tradition you

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find stories of giants and interbreeding

1023
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:34,130
with humans of some God godlike beings

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all over the world my good friend

1025
00:41:43,089 --> 00:41:39,020
clifford mahooty is a Zuni elder and

1026
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:43,099
he's mentioned these types of details in

1027
00:41:48,099 --> 00:41:45,950
some of their mythology and and I think

1028
00:41:50,589 --> 00:41:48,109
it's indicative of you know when you

1029
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:50,599
look at so many different cultures

1030
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:53,210
coming up with a very similar take on a

1031
00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:57,440
subject it's the the chances of this

1032
00:42:01,240 --> 00:41:58,670
being coincidental I think they're

1033
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,250
astronomical there's got to be some sort

1034
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:03,680
of of truth there at the core somewhere

1035
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:05,930
it may not have survived intact through

1036
00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:07,580
thousands of years but it is an

1037
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:10,040
indication that you know this is

1038
00:42:15,490 --> 00:42:12,950
definitely worthy of study and well you

1039
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:15,500
know the whole Nephilim thing I don't

1040
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:19,280
think we've really defined totally what

1041
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:20,810
we're talking about for some of our our

1042
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:23,510
newer listeners perhaps you should go in

1043
00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:25,640
and give a little bit more details

1044
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:27,859
especially about the genetic part part

1045
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:29,270
of this and in the interbreeding with

1046
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:32,990
humans ok well the the source point for

1047
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:35,390
the word Nephilim which by the way has

1048
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,970
become a word that's even that's even

1049
00:42:42,339 --> 00:42:39,920
crossed over into pop culture you see

1050
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:42,349
movies with Cuba Gooding jr. about the

1051
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:44,630
Nephilim that they unfroze and things

1052
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:47,210
like that so the word has become

1053
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:50,030
synonymous with some kind of being that

1054
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,820
was one an off breeding or hybrid

1055
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:55,040
breeding with humans the source point

1056
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:57,050
for the word itself though is the Hebrew

1057
00:43:01,359 --> 00:42:59,210
Bible it's the book of Genesis you can

1058
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:01,369
also find it in one of the apocryphal

1059
00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:03,650
books Enoch which I hailed to a lot in

1060
00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:06,080
my research to establish the theology

1061
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:07,820
behind this you also find it in the book

1062
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:09,970
of Jubilees the book of Jasher and

1063
00:43:14,109 --> 00:43:12,290
they're even mentioned in the more

1064
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recently if you will in the last 20

1065
00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:15,700
years uncovered the book of

1066
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:18,339
that was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls so

1067
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,470
one of the miss translations of the word

1068
00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:22,000
was that they were ejected that nefeli

1069
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:24,099
means giant it doesn't there's another

1070
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:26,680
word in the passage you go to Genesis 6

1071
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:29,380
and it talks about and in those days the

1072
00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:31,750
sons of God came down and intermingled

1073
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with the daughters of men and had

1074
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children by them they were known as the

1075
00:43:40,799 --> 00:43:38,530
Nephilim and the heroes of old and the

1076
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men of renown now by the way that turned

1077
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the men of renown that phrase in the

1078
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Hebrew is referring to the Jew Boran in

1079
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,770
Hebrew in the in the Hebrew sense sense

1080
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:49,359
of what was going on there and the get

1081
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:51,910
more and more known as Giants mighty men

1082
00:43:56,970 --> 00:43:54,670
of valor and what you've also got here

1083
00:43:58,799 --> 00:43:56,980
is something that looks like it's

1084
00:44:00,809 --> 00:43:58,809
starting to talk about maybe some of our

1085
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,819
mythologies about the Greek gods and the

1086
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:03,520
Pentagon's of different gods hailed from

1087
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:05,619
these sources only problem is that

1088
00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:07,720
Genesis was written long after many of

1089
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:09,579
these things existed in different

1090
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:12,609
cultures so the Nephilim are the

1091
00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:15,910
offspring of according to Genesis the

1092
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:18,369
sons of God in the Hebrew the Bennet hot

1093
00:44:24,089 --> 00:44:21,220
Elohim who came down and intermingled

1094
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:24,099
with the daughters of human men and had

1095
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,200
children by them and then it says and

1096
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:27,520
the Nephilim were on the earth in those

1097
00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:30,130
days and also afterward then it goes

1098
00:44:33,299 --> 00:44:31,900
into talking about the mortality of men

1099
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:33,309
and a number of years he lived in the

1100
00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:35,380
write directly into the story of Noah so

1101
00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:39,160
the connection is that made an English

1102
00:44:43,799 --> 00:44:40,809
version anyway it's not made very

1103
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:43,809
quickly but there's this hint by the

1104
00:44:48,660 --> 00:44:46,930
author of Genesis that there was a race

1105
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:48,670
that was bequeathed by the mixing of

1106
00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:51,670
spirit beings of some kind and human

1107
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:54,369
women in my settings where I grew up we

1108
00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:55,900
kind of hinted at this at the beginning

1109
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:58,510
I think gene with your question at the

1110
00:45:04,799 --> 00:45:00,910
very beginning when I learned this stuff

1111
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:04,809
in seminary which was very slight we

1112
00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:06,790
were taught well this is obviously not

1113
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:09,220
referring to non-human beings this has

1114
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:11,890
to do with the sons of the prophets are

1115
00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:14,049
the sons of the wealthy who came down

1116
00:45:18,569 --> 00:45:16,299
and intermingled with the women of the

1117
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,579
common folk in the villages and I said

1118
00:45:23,339 --> 00:45:20,319
but why then does the Hebrew make a

1119
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:23,349
stark contrast between the been AHA

1120
00:45:27,539 --> 00:45:25,750
Elohim and the daughters of Adam they

1121
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:27,549
don't use the same term they don't say

1122
00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:29,020
that this was this

1123
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:31,840
of Adam who were the upper classes of

1124
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:33,610
the schools of the Prophet intermingling

1125
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:35,890
with the daughters of the Dom they make

1126
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:37,930
a contrast between the two and the

1127
00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:40,270
purpose for the contrast is to create a

1128
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:43,060
stark difference between the two beings

1129
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:46,210
but the author of Genesis who by the way

1130
00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:47,830
I believe was Moses and I write about

1131
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:49,600
that and the tradition I think is pretty

1132
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:51,510
strong and there's good grounds for it

1133
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:55,360
talks about these beings almost as an

1134
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:57,730
offhand remark it's almost like oh yeah

1135
00:46:00,330 --> 00:45:59,170
there were these Nephilim and they would

1136
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:00,340
be pleased by this and that but now

1137
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:02,680
let's talk about the flood and it's it's

1138
00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:05,380
almost an aside go to the Book of Enoch

1139
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:08,320
however which is an apocryphal book it's

1140
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,210
a book that was booted out of the Canon

1141
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:12,160
of Scripture by one of Constantine's

1142
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:13,690
counsels started in the Council of

1143
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:16,270
Nicaea because they could not decide

1144
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:18,280
that there was unanimity and whether or

1145
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,170
not you know it was a scriptural book

1146
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:23,920
and but by the way on the Book of Enoch

1147
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:26,890
itself it's quoted by many of the

1148
00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:29,050
prophets in the Old Testament Paul and

1149
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:30,820
Peter in the New Testament quote from

1150
00:46:34,859 --> 00:46:32,890
the Book of Enoch Jesus himself quotes

1151
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:34,869
from the Book of Enoch yet the Council

1152
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:36,609
of Nicaea and other councils following

1153
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:37,960
under Constantine decided it wasn't

1154
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:39,400
Scripture even though all those people

1155
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:41,740
used it and quoted from it but an Enoch

1156
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:44,470
you had the same exact passage it starts

1157
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:46,750
with the same language as the Genesis 6

1158
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:49,810
passage but then it goes instead of just

1159
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:52,060
four to five verses it goes into chapter

1160
00:46:57,570 --> 00:46:54,730
after Chapter after Chapter about these

1161
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:57,580
beings who the sons of God the Bene ha

1162
00:47:02,310 --> 00:46:59,619
Elohim not her first event as the

1163
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:02,320
watchers who came down to the earth and

1164
00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:03,940
intermingled with the daughters of men

1165
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:05,260
as a matter of fact in Enoch it says

1166
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:07,480
they descended to the slopes of Mount

1167
00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:09,460
Hermon which is in northern Israel if

1168
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,800
today and the Golan Heights straddling

1169
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:13,960
Syria and Lebanon then it was there that

1170
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,730
there were 200 of them and they made a

1171
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:17,920
pact with each other to go into human

1172
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:19,780
women it doesn't say that there were any

1173
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:22,030
women versions of them female versions

1174
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:23,650
and that they went into men - just so

1175
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:25,810
they went into women chose any ones that

1176
00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:27,460
they wanted they lusted after them they

1177
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:30,100
cohabited with them they made homes with

1178
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,960
them they had offspring and they taught

1179
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,960
humans the forbidden knowledge --is the

1180
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:37,359
knowledge is of things like cosmetics

1181
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:39,609
the making of mirrors the making of

1182
00:47:44,729 --> 00:47:42,609
weapons the sons of the signs of the son

1183
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:44,739
and stars and herbology and things like

1184
00:47:48,749 --> 00:47:46,900
that and why those were forbidden I

1185
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:48,759
don't know but it sounds like they

1186
00:47:53,549 --> 00:47:51,220
didn't have a prime directive no prime

1187
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:53,559
directive okay or they violated the

1188
00:47:56,339 --> 00:47:55,960
prime directive because well in their

1189
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:56,349
midst

1190
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:58,690
you know shemyaza and the book of enoch

1191
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:00,940
says that he's one of these prefix of

1192
00:48:05,249 --> 00:48:03,369
the 200 he says wait a minute if we do

1193
00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:05,259
this we're gonna get our butts kicked

1194
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:07,420
and they don't say by God they just said

1195
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:08,950
we're going to be in big trouble because

1196
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,329
we're not supposed to be doing this and

1197
00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:11,920
it says all the rest of them just

1198
00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:13,509
pressed him and said now we're doing

1199
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:14,769
this anyway you're either with us or

1200
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:16,569
without us and so he joined them he was

1201
00:48:20,249 --> 00:48:17,890
their leader and so he was basically

1202
00:48:23,009 --> 00:48:20,259
saying if you guys do this it's my head

1203
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:23,019
on the block this is the you know if you

1204
00:48:26,999 --> 00:48:24,700
read between the lines and want to put a

1205
00:48:29,279 --> 00:48:27,009
little common vernacular in it you're

1206
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,289
talking about ancient texts again but in

1207
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:31,119
these passages one of the by the way the

1208
00:48:36,059 --> 00:48:34,630
big misnomers about these beings is for

1209
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,069
years they were thought to be fallen

1210
00:48:41,279 --> 00:48:38,380
angels but never in any of these

1211
00:48:44,249 --> 00:48:41,289
passages do they use the word Malacca

1212
00:48:46,979 --> 00:48:44,259
Molokai for angels in the Hebrew they're

1213
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,989
always referred to as the sons of God

1214
00:48:51,809 --> 00:48:49,839
the Elohim and things like that and this

1215
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:51,819
is where you can go to Psalm 82 and

1216
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:54,130
start seeing a correlation different

1217
00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:55,900
passages in the Bible talk about a group

1218
00:49:00,180 --> 00:48:58,660
called the divine council and it says in

1219
00:49:02,339 --> 00:49:00,190
there and then we talked about Elohim

1220
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:02,349
I'm gonna interchange you're looking for

1221
00:49:06,979 --> 00:49:04,420
where it says God in this passage who

1222
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:06,989
Psalm 82 it says and Elohim stood

1223
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:10,630
singular in the midst of the Elohim same

1224
00:49:17,069 --> 00:49:14,079
word plural and said to them plural you

1225
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:17,079
are all Elohim you are the bright

1226
00:49:21,569 --> 00:49:19,390
shining princes of heaven now you take

1227
00:49:23,549 --> 00:49:21,579
that term bright shining and this takes

1228
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:23,559
you back even further than the account

1229
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,410
in Genesis 6 back to creation and the

1230
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:29,200
creation family which just as the flood

1231
00:49:33,569 --> 00:49:31,450
you've got every different culture has

1232
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:33,579
its own version of a creation story and

1233
00:49:38,609 --> 00:49:35,710
its own version of a creation couple or

1234
00:49:41,099 --> 00:49:38,619
creation couples and their offspring

1235
00:49:42,569 --> 00:49:41,109
being twins or multiple births and there

1236
00:49:44,249 --> 00:49:42,579
was always some kind of trickster

1237
00:49:46,829 --> 00:49:44,259
character that came in and either

1238
00:49:49,019 --> 00:49:46,839
impregnated the woman or impregnated the

1239
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:49,029
daughter of the first couple and that

1240
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:50,950
beak we even started all the problems

1241
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:53,890
this relates to Adam and Eve the Genesis

1242
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:55,720
Garden of Eden story and this serpent in

1243
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:56,410
the garden

1244
00:50:00,960 --> 00:49:57,970
we're not just talking about a racial

1245
00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:00,970
consciousness or worldwide allegory here

1246
00:50:05,789 --> 00:50:02,829
we're talking possibly if a physical

1247
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:05,799
event occurs about widely reported you

1248
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:07,180
can't prove that Adam and Eve ever

1249
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:09,369
existed but if they did as two

1250
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:11,650
individuals I think is irrelevant

1251
00:50:15,299 --> 00:50:13,150
because you're never going to know for

1252
00:50:17,999 --> 00:50:15,309
sure but what it does talk about in all

1253
00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:18,009
these cultures is a first family that

1254
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:20,859
had interactions with these beings in

1255
00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:22,690
the Josh's account the point I was

1256
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:24,369
trying to make here remember the bright

1257
00:50:30,029 --> 00:50:26,890
shining ones this is what the divine

1258
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:30,039
council are called you have Nakash the

1259
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:31,750
word in the Hebrew for the serpent in

1260
00:50:36,329 --> 00:50:33,609
the garden the serpent character is

1261
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:36,339
called Nakash and by definition it means

1262
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:38,579
trickster bringer of knowledge

1263
00:50:44,819 --> 00:50:42,160
illuminator bright shining one and this

1264
00:50:47,759 --> 00:50:44,829
is the one who tempted Eve in the garden

1265
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:47,769
and the whole context of the whole thing

1266
00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:49,150
of the girl you got to step back and

1267
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,460
look at and get out of the box look at

1268
00:50:55,230 --> 00:50:53,440
it while all the verbs and the action

1269
00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:55,240
nouns and the Hebrew are all fairly

1270
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:58,390
neutral in generic terms like he gave he

1271
00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:01,630
offered he she took she ate she gave to

1272
00:51:06,809 --> 00:51:04,180
Adam II took he ate that the whole

1273
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:06,819
context is one that's sexual in nature

1274
00:51:12,749 --> 00:51:10,119
and it talks about after the fall when

1275
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,759
God's cursing everybody he says about

1276
00:51:16,349 --> 00:51:14,079
the serpent he says and there will be

1277
00:51:17,999 --> 00:51:16,359
enmity between the seed of the Serpent

1278
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:18,009
and the seed of the woman well get into

1279
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:19,750
more of this with Scott Alan Roberts

1280
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,630
with Jean and Kris you're in the para

1281
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:24,240
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1282
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1301
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1302
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1303
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forcing taxes to service debt this

1304
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:24,240
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1305
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:25,710
stating a central bank issuing the

1306
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:27,330
public currency is a greater menace to

1307
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:28,470
the liberties of the people than a

1308
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:29,850
standing army today understand I'm

1309
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:31,260
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1310
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1311
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1312
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1316
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:03,920
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1317
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:05,780
Chris and the para cast got Alan Roberts

1318
00:53:08,829 --> 00:53:07,880
is talking about things that happen in

1319
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:08,839
ancient times

1320
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:13,010
so can we interpret this as earth being

1321
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:17,089
visited by ET ET doing something weather

1322
00:53:22,569 --> 00:53:19,060
violating the prime directive or

1323
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:22,579
following up on a civilization that was

1324
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:26,329
seated by them manipulating our past and

1325
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:28,430
then the question is about the trickster

1326
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,770
do we think of maybe there's another

1327
00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:32,720
political faction there it doesn't agree

1328
00:53:36,819 --> 00:53:35,000
with the prevailing wisdom and they came

1329
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:36,829
out and they tried to change things I

1330
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:38,810
think answer the first question

1331
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:41,540
maybe because once again we don't know

1332
00:53:45,579 --> 00:53:43,670
for sure there's no way to prove any of

1333
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:45,589
this actually happened all you've got

1334
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,210
again is all these different texts that

1335
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:50,000
talk about similar events so something I

1336
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:52,250
put forward in my book I at the time I

1337
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:55,550
wrote this I said you know the jury is

1338
00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:57,710
still after me on the whole ancient

1339
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,099
alien impregnation DNA manipulation

1340
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thing I said I I've not studied it

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enough I'm not thorough on that topic I

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see a lot of the evidences that are put

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forward so let's say this from a

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00:54:13,809 --> 00:54:12,500
theological standpoint you can look at

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00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:13,819
this and say it happened this way

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or it may have happened this way it may

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have been ancient mankind extrapolating

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spiritual and divine terms and putting

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them on these beams and it wasn't just a

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science fiction novel wasn't just the

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scientific picture novel did you say

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yeah it wasn't just a science fiction

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novel meeting the right science I can

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those do they know as a matter of fact

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you know I have a problem with the

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notion that skeptics and scientists and

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00:54:43,569 --> 00:54:41,270
atheists and all will say well that's

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just religious texts you know it's a

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book of faith well you know what history

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and religion were not separated the way

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we separate them now when we say that

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we're thinking within our cultural

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context we're thinking within our

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society here in the United States with

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separation of church and state which is

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now a big argument

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little world exactly that's yeah that's

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that's hot today with some of the

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candidates that are out there right now

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again and it's hot in every issue the

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problem with that is when we view

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ancient writings through the filter of

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what we believe or how we act nowadays

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or the way our society believes we are

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forgetting the context that those

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passages were all written in these were

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not meant to be oh here's your book of

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faith by the way which is vital air is

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separate from your your books of the law

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and your books of your history and then

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00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,940
so on they weren't separated back then

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the big question is were they right we

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don't know there's no way to know for

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sure that's why this is still a

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curiosity this is the stuff that draws

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our attention because there's something

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there that's either encoded or it's

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skipped over or we don't see its import

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because we are not part of that society

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that saw a new things the way they saw

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and viewed them so this whole topic and

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I'm speaking from within the Hebrew

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00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:05,720
Bible because this is where I well I did

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00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:07,370
most of my study in research for this

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00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:10,210
book you've got a society that was a

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theocratic society they believe that God

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00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:16,670
ruled them and their writers and their

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00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:19,700
leaders all tried to establish this I

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talked about Moses earlier I have a

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chapter in the book called Moses the

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Pharaoh God of Israel if you start

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00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:29,990
digging historically and this is just

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00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,490
this is by way of illustration of this

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:34,160
very same point we can say Moses and

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00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:36,290
everybody can say now that we know Moses

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00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:38,420
really wrote that and to me I come back

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00:56:43,090 --> 00:56:40,730
and say Homer wrote the Iliad the

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00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:43,100
attitude how do we know that we don't

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00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:45,260
know Homer really existed we don't know

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00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:47,450
that example Shakespeare wrote his place

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:49,310
yeah by the way just watch the movie

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00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:51,050
anonymous I don't know if I agree with

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00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:52,940
it all and I love Shakespeare and I

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00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:55,310
consider myself a pseudo Shakespeare

1415
00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:57,230
scholar and I've always liked

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00:57:00,760 --> 00:56:58,940
Shakespeare and I believe he wrote most

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00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:00,770
of his works but there are people who

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00:57:05,470 --> 00:57:03,950
believe even as early as 400 years ago

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00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:05,480
they don't know if the guy who wrote all

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00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:07,400
his own stuff let me raise that question

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00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:10,070
here though and that is here we have all

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:12,110
these ancient texts and obviously there

1423
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:14,450
had to be a committee of people who

1424
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:15,530
would take this stuff

1425
00:57:21,550 --> 00:57:19,490
and they'd edit it possibly centuries

1426
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:21,560
after the events occurred and then

1427
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:23,750
decide whether to include them or not

1428
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:25,820
you have this we call it today an

1429
00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:27,830
editorial committee they would make

1430
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:30,080
final decisions on what you could read

1431
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:32,750
so we don't know how much they

1432
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,270
manipulated what you see there and how

1433
00:57:40,030 --> 00:57:37,280
it changed from the original reports to

1434
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:40,040
you know we don't as a matter of fact

1435
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:41,720
for this book I talked to a good friend

1436
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,850
of mine dr. John Ward he is an

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00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:45,920
archaeologist anthropologist on the

1438
00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:47,990
ground and Luxor for about the last ten

1439
00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:50,150
years and he does a lot of study and I

1440
00:57:54,070 --> 00:57:51,860
was asking him about Moses and the

1441
00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:54,080
Exodus and all of that and he has a

1442
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:57,260
different version than I believe I dated

1443
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:00,470
Moses in this book for a certain reason

1444
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:02,530
I wanted to establish what he would have

1445
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:05,630
experienced as an Egyptian growing up

1446
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:07,460
for the first 40 years of his life if

1447
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:09,410
the Bible is to be believed on that

1448
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:12,830
story what did he experience what did he

1449
00:58:17,530 --> 00:58:15,110
bring to the table when he mentioned the

1450
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,540
Nephilim and why did he treat them and

1451
00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:19,760
handle them the way he did and there is

1452
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:21,590
a this is a bit of a rabbit trail but I

1453
00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:23,960
think it establishes this point you can

1454
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:26,060
look at the Bible and in 1st Kings 6

1455
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:28,940
verse 1 it talks about the establishment

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00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:31,310
or the dedication of the temple 1 in

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00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,710
Jerusalem so known as temple 1 it's

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00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:34,880
Solomon's Temple

1459
00:58:39,010 --> 00:58:36,470
now there's disputes over whether even

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00:58:40,930 --> 00:58:39,020
Solomon existed or not but they can't

1461
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:40,940
dispute the temple because there's

1462
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,830
archaeological and historical evidence

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00:58:48,610 --> 00:58:45,920
for temple 1 and all of your scholars be

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00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:48,620
they biblical scholars be they secular

1465
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:50,990
scholars they will agree on one thing

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00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:53,930
the Temple in Jerusalem Temple one was

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00:58:59,500 --> 00:58:55,900
established and dedicated right around

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00:59:01,780 --> 00:58:59,510
966 BC you ever take four to six years

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00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:01,790
in either direction depending on what

1470
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:04,280
you're looking at now in that text in

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00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:06,350
first Kings it says and in the four

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:08,750
hundred and eightieth year after the

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00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:10,970
first Passover the exodus under Moses

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00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:12,980
coming out of Israel of Egypt to the

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00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:15,470
children of Israel Solomon dedicated his

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:16,070
temple

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00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:17,810
so you've got if you do your math you

1478
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:21,530
roughly get 1446 be seen as the date of

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00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,570
the exodus then you start doing your

1480
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:25,760
math because Moses was indeed 80 years

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00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:27,740
old when he came back and led the Exodus

1482
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:29,300
you go back full

1483
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:31,730
years and then another 40 years to his

1484
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:34,790
birth you get right around 15 26 BC you

1485
00:59:39,310 --> 00:59:36,500
started looking at the Pharaohs Pharaoh

1486
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:39,320
Moses the first cut Moses the second cut

1487
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:42,710
Moses the third the woman that I think

1488
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:44,630
raised Moses was a woman by the name of

1489
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:46,970
hatshepsut who was the daughter of the

1490
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:48,770
Pharaoh at the time and you started

1491
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:50,810
digging out all these different facts

1492
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:53,810
historically and you can say this is a

1493
00:59:59,800 --> 00:59:56,570
religious book about Moses and Moses but

1494
01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:59,810
it was not real big an establishing date

1495
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:01,790
he didn't say on him this year by the

1496
01:00:06,550 --> 01:00:04,250
few calendar you know I get this he

1497
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,560
doesn't even give the names of the kings

1498
01:00:11,830 --> 01:00:08,240
he said the Pharaoh Pharaoh's daughter

1499
01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:11,840
this guy that guy so again it wasn't an

1500
01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:14,420
important thing what was important to

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:17,000
him is that he was establishing his

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01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:19,610
leadership over Israel and I believe

1503
01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:21,830
that Moses was about as Egyptian as an

1504
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:23,840
Egyptian can be if he was raised in the

1505
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,180
palace of 18th dynasty of Egypt for the

1506
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:28,880
first 40 years of his life this is what

1507
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:30,290
he was and this is what he brought to

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01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:33,470
the table so he was a politician he was

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01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:35,840
a politician okay here's what I worry

1510
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:37,790
about also about ancient texts this is a

1511
01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:39,950
something I've said on the power cast

1512
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:42,280
from time to time we cannot agree with

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01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:45,140
24/7 cable TV what happened three hours

1514
01:00:50,050 --> 01:00:47,870
ago in another state or what a

1515
01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:50,060
politician said and what he meant we

1516
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:52,340
can't agree on that we argue over that

1517
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,960
point and now we're trying to take

1518
01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:55,430
something written a couple of thousand

1519
01:00:59,950 --> 01:00:57,710
years ago trying to interpret stuff that

1520
01:01:01,690 --> 01:00:59,960
happened hundreds of years earlier how

1521
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:01,700
do we know what's accurate and what

1522
01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:03,980
isn't I think the beauty of going to

1523
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:07,550
ancient texts rather than CNN NBC CNN BC

1524
01:01:12,430 --> 01:01:10,250
in all those places is that nowadays

1525
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:12,440
you've got a million different sources

1526
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:16,070
back then there was the simplicity of a

1527
01:01:21,010 --> 01:01:18,380
simple history being written now was

1528
01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:21,020
there controversy hell yeah you look at

1529
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:23,630
the New Testament you had Peter the

1530
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,670
great fisherman you know the the

1531
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:27,680
disciple of Jesus who they say

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01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,570
traditionally was the guy who

1533
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:31,520
established the Roman Catholic Church

1534
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:34,070
then you've got Paul the Apostle who

1535
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:35,390
wrote two thirds of the New Testament

1536
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:37,820
and the apologist for establishing the

1537
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:40,910
Christian faith these two guys were at

1538
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:42,920
odds with each other right

1539
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:44,569
the get-go so from the very beginning of

1540
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:46,220
the Christian faith you had the first

1541
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,160
big Church schism was between two of the

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huge leaders of the Christian faith they

1543
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:54,559
couldn't agree on was salvation open to

1544
01:01:58,780 --> 01:01:56,630
the Jews or was it close to the Jews and

1545
01:02:01,150 --> 01:01:58,790
no no Gentiles allowed you know things

1546
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:01,160
like that me and Paul even writes about

1547
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,780
in his books you know and Peter and I

1548
01:02:07,539 --> 01:02:05,119
got into a big big fisticuff about this

1549
01:02:10,510 --> 01:02:07,549
all that just illustrating perspective

1550
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:10,520
even back then in the establishment of

1551
01:02:15,099 --> 01:02:12,290
these things you had people fighting

1552
01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:15,109
over what it meant and who it was for so

1553
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:17,000
yeah all of these ancient writings you

1554
01:02:20,829 --> 01:02:19,130
look back at stuff that Moses wrote and

1555
01:02:23,049 --> 01:02:20,839
you say how do we know that's what

1556
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:23,059
really happened well I don't think we do

1557
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:25,609
I think you have to weed out the history

1558
01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:27,710
this is where science I think and

1559
01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:30,140
skepticism are very handy tools and very

1560
01:02:34,569 --> 01:02:32,540
sophisticated guesswork I suppose Scott

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Alan Roberts joining us with Jean and

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Chris you're in the para cast so here's

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trying to ferret out the facts and the

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I guess it's difficult I guess in the

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end what you have to do is make a good

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01:07:32,670 --> 01:07:30,970
guess isn't that right that's pretty

1679
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:32,680
much it you're making educated guesses

1680
01:07:37,410 --> 01:07:36,010
and I think you know scientists will

1681
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:37,420
bristle at that but I think that's what

1682
01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:39,610
we do in science there are some things

1683
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:41,020
we can establish we can establish

1684
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:42,850
earthly things pretty easily we know

1685
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:44,320
what oxygen is made out of

1686
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:47,170
that's pretty established where it came

1687
01:07:51,570 --> 01:07:49,210
from and how it came to be we can

1688
01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:51,580
hypothesize you start getting into these

1689
01:07:56,070 --> 01:07:53,470
realms that are what I would call the

1690
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:56,080
lac fringe of normal and you start

1691
01:07:59,310 --> 01:07:57,910
getting the big questions and you start

1692
01:08:02,160 --> 01:07:59,320
this is why I think the scientific

1693
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:02,170
community issues this kind of stuff they

1694
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:03,490
don't want to be part of it

1695
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:05,470
ok let's leave that to the churches to

1696
01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:06,940
figure out we don't want to bother but

1697
01:08:10,530 --> 01:08:08,680
I'm going to have a another question

1698
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:10,540
here because we've touched on it for

1699
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:13,720
almost half the show now and that is the

1700
01:08:18,450 --> 01:08:16,840
flood Noah all this stuff we assume then

1701
01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:18,460
this was some kind of worldwide

1702
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:21,760
Cataclysm that maybe generated all this

1703
01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:24,610
chatter all this literature well yes in

1704
01:08:28,890 --> 01:08:26,800
short to start digging into it we were

1705
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:28,900
always taught in my theological circles

1706
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:30,940
it was a universal flood you know that

1707
01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:32,650
the flood covered all the highest

1708
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:34,990
mountain peaks and then with this Ark

1709
01:08:38,940 --> 01:08:37,480
that Noah built it came to rest as the

1710
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:38,950
waters receded in the mountains of

1711
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:40,930
Urartu or Iraq

1712
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:42,970
I never says Mount Ararat says the

1713
01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:45,490
mountains of or r2 and of course there's

1714
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,470
little bits and pieces of evidence you

1715
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:49,120
can find just I'm gonna make that

1716
01:08:52,770 --> 01:08:51,310
analogy again - - like the paranormal we

1717
01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:52,780
get little bits and pieces of things

1718
01:08:56,190 --> 01:08:54,790
that we can start to build a case but it

1719
01:08:58,170 --> 01:08:56,200
doesn't really prove anything for

1720
01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:58,180
anybody that's at least of a scientific

1721
01:09:01,650 --> 01:08:59,770
mind there's a little bits and pieces

1722
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:01,660
you can put together about the flood and

1723
01:09:07,290 --> 01:09:04,270
know on things like that what you do

1724
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:07,300
know is geologically speaking there was

1725
01:09:11,850 --> 01:09:10,150
some great catastrophic flood that

1726
01:09:14,910 --> 01:09:11,860
covered the earth now they don't know

1727
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:14,920
was it's a big flood or was it the

1728
01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:17,260
receding of the Ice Age was this the

1729
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:19,420
reason like like the Persian Gulf right

1730
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:22,060
now they say down near the base of the

1731
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:23,890
earth I guess the northwest of the

1732
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:25,780
Persian Gulf where you find the big

1733
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:27,730
cities in Iraq but that part of the

1734
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:29,290
Persian Gulf was once dry

1735
01:09:33,539 --> 01:09:31,960
and then miles out into the Persian Gulf

1736
01:09:34,410 --> 01:09:33,549
where they can find settlements and

1737
01:09:36,750 --> 01:09:34,420
things a matter of fact this is one of

1738
01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:36,760
the places where they postulate Etan

1739
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:39,580
existed and it's now buried in that the

1740
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:41,890
waters of the Persian Gulf so you've got

1741
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:44,500
all kinds of things that you can look at

1742
01:09:51,170 --> 01:09:48,670
and say I can I can surmise that this

1743
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:51,180
happened this way or I can guess

1744
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:53,410
educated guesswork that this happened

1745
01:09:57,420 --> 01:09:55,510
this way but you can't base it strictly

1746
01:10:00,090 --> 01:09:57,430
in theology you got to look at the

1747
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:00,100
theology and filter it through science

1748
01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:02,170
filter through history filter through

1749
01:10:06,690 --> 01:10:04,870
geology get a major flood take place and

1750
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:06,700
the Mesopotamian your freddie's River

1751
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:09,190
Valley we the River Valley the Tigris

1752
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:10,930
and Euphrates yeah there's a lot of

1753
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:12,850
evidence that that that happened there

1754
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,820
was it any more Universal than that we

1755
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:17,920
don't know for sure it said it covered

1756
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:19,960
all the world did that mean all the

1757
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:22,270
known world did that mean all of the

1758
01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:24,010
earth the globe the parts of the globe

1759
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:25,240
they didn't even know about

1760
01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:28,060
I don't know we do have traditions and

1761
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:30,280
in the oral tradition of some some of

1762
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:31,690
our indigenous cultures around the world

1763
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,690
they all share similar versions of the

1764
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:36,880
flood myth and and you you've brought up

1765
01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:38,890
an interesting part of the world and of

1766
01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:40,720
course any time you start talking about

1767
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:43,870
Iran Iraq in that area you get into the

1768
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:45,670
ancient Mesopotamian cultures between

1769
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:47,590
the Tigris and Euphrates which brings us

1770
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:52,060
to our dear departed zecharia sitchin it

1771
01:10:56,910 --> 01:10:54,370
has an interesting take on the Nephilim

1772
01:10:59,520 --> 01:10:56,920
and and he ties them to this planet x

1773
01:11:01,440 --> 01:10:59,530
nibiru and where do you come down on

1774
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:01,450
such ins work in the garden

1775
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:03,880
let me tell you this to be very honest I

1776
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:06,460
have avoided reading Sitchin's work as

1777
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:08,590
I've been doing my study on this because

1778
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:11,110
first of all there's a there are things

1779
01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:13,030
that I've read about citizens work and

1780
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:14,620
there are portions of Sitchin's work

1781
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:16,390
I've read for the purpose of studying

1782
01:11:21,150 --> 01:11:18,160
what he had to say about certain things

1783
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:21,160
I found that without condemning the man

1784
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:23,860
outright which I don't do he's obviously

1785
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:25,660
put a lot of time and research into his

1786
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,150
work or did I should say there were

1787
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:29,920
missed translations of some of the

1788
01:11:34,710 --> 01:11:31,990
ancient Sumerian language that he used

1789
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,720
and you'll find this in Michael Heiser's

1790
01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:36,880
work I in what's his big website section

1791
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,160
is wrong calm or something like that and

1792
01:11:43,139 --> 01:11:41,440
he takes him to task because he said

1793
01:11:45,419 --> 01:11:43,149
Sitchin was not a Hebrew Scott

1794
01:11:48,209 --> 01:11:45,429
or an ancient linguist but he went in

1795
01:11:50,759 --> 01:11:48,219
like I'm doing he's going in and relying

1796
01:11:52,739 --> 01:11:50,769
on other people's study and for me I

1797
01:11:54,899 --> 01:11:52,749
have to pick and choose who I think is

1798
01:11:55,619 --> 01:11:54,909
the guy that's translating that stuff

1799
01:11:57,779 --> 01:11:55,629
the best

1800
01:11:59,609 --> 01:11:57,789
I like Heiser because he's got no bones

1801
01:12:00,959 --> 01:11:59,619
approach about it says look this is what

1802
01:12:01,469 --> 01:12:00,969
the language says and this is what it

1803
01:12:04,109 --> 01:12:01,479
means

1804
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,119
Sitchin was trying to squeeze some

1805
01:12:08,759 --> 01:12:06,159
things to fit into his theory and his

1806
01:12:10,049 --> 01:12:08,769
theory is not a bad theory it's just

1807
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:10,059
like any of this other stuff though

1808
01:12:14,639 --> 01:12:12,610
there's no way to prove it and so what I

1809
01:12:17,549 --> 01:12:14,649
found about his work in general without

1810
01:12:20,129 --> 01:12:17,559
having read it I would say Sitchin puts

1811
01:12:22,139 --> 01:12:20,139
forth a theory of how he thinks this all

1812
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:22,149
took place and who he thinks many beings

1813
01:12:28,889 --> 01:12:26,320
are but if he's heavily relying on his

1814
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:28,899
theories of Nibiru his theories of a

1815
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:31,780
race coming to enslave humanity and he

1816
01:12:35,909 --> 01:12:33,550
builds that whole thing about even in

1817
01:12:37,889 --> 01:12:35,919
the Eden area he builds his case and

1818
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:37,899
with the Anunnaki he builds his case

1819
01:12:43,379 --> 01:12:40,840
with the ancient Sumerian culture and I

1820
01:12:46,139 --> 01:12:43,389
can see where he pulls his his facts

1821
01:12:46,919 --> 01:12:46,149
quote from but are his conclusions

1822
01:12:49,469 --> 01:12:46,929
correct

1823
01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:49,479
I don't know for sure maybe he is right

1824
01:12:54,689 --> 01:12:52,209
on the mark but when he mistranslates a

1825
01:12:57,149 --> 01:12:54,699
few words in there and kind of squeezes

1826
01:13:02,909 --> 01:12:57,159
them to fit it's not that they don't fit

1827
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:02,919
it kind of squeezes him a bit Scott sure

1828
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,409
Scott in what respect as he twists or

1829
01:13:10,049 --> 01:13:07,840
miss translate things well it's one word

1830
01:13:13,469 --> 01:13:10,059
in particular that he makes a real point

1831
01:13:15,719 --> 01:13:13,479
of emphasizing in the 12 plan I did and

1832
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:15,729
that's the words gem which he re

1833
01:13:18,419 --> 01:13:18,070
translated to mean rocket that was the

1834
01:13:21,629 --> 01:13:18,429
biggie

1835
01:13:24,629 --> 01:13:21,639
are there other ones right like the land

1836
01:13:26,219 --> 01:13:24,639
of Sumer he translates that is the land

1837
01:13:27,869 --> 01:13:26,229
of the Watchers now he might not be

1838
01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:27,879
totally off on that but that's not a

1839
01:13:32,129 --> 01:13:29,649
direct translation of the word

1840
01:13:34,169 --> 01:13:32,139
that's his extrapolation of his theories

1841
01:13:35,879 --> 01:13:34,179
brought into that this is because of

1842
01:13:38,189 --> 01:13:35,889
this and this and this mean this this is

1843
01:13:40,109 --> 01:13:38,199
God I mean this that's kind of what he's

1844
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:40,119
doing in some of his translation work

1845
01:13:45,449 --> 01:13:42,729
and I don't think his translation work

1846
01:13:48,179 --> 01:13:45,459
is the hinge pin to either disassemble

1847
01:13:49,739 --> 01:13:48,189
him or to London credence I'm just

1848
01:13:51,599 --> 01:13:49,749
saying that I don't think his

1849
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:51,609
scholarship on some of the language that

1850
01:13:56,370 --> 01:13:54,129
he used was as thorough as it could have

1851
01:13:58,170 --> 01:13:56,380
been and if it was he

1852
01:14:00,330 --> 01:13:58,180
I've had to stretch his theories a

1853
01:14:02,010 --> 01:14:00,340
little bit more than he got so like you

1854
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:02,020
say with the word Shem meaning rocket

1855
01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:04,090
that's something that that's a stretch

1856
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:06,340
for me because I don't think they knew

1857
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:09,040
what a rocket was and Shem wasn't a word

1858
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:11,290
for rock so it was open might have been

1859
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:13,210
a word for something that they that you

1860
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:15,580
could extrapolate a meaning and say well

1861
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,200
they must have thought it meant this

1862
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,600
okay I'll ask you that question Scottie

1863
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:22,000
and that is okay if you wanted to

1864
01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:25,330
describe a rocket 2500 years ago how

1865
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would you do it I might say a wheel

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within a wheel within a wheel I don't

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know how would you describe a rocket you

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look at all the the talk of of the

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presence of God that would come down the

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the pillar of fire by night the pillar

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of cloud by day I think what you've got

1872
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there is you've got people that were not

1873
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that technologically advanced trying to

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describe things that may have been much

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more technical not technologically

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advanced and we can even describe so I

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think you've got a lot of stuff in there

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that its way open for interpretation

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01:15:02,970 --> 01:15:00,160
because we don't know exactly what they

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saw all we can do is say this doesn't

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sound like this and if you take the

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measurements or or the way this thing

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works especially the Ezekiel thing the

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wheel within a wheel within a wheel and

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you can start looking at the way this

1886
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thing is described and say wait that

1887
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sounds like what like a gyroscope that

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sounds like this that sounds like that

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that sounds like that UFO for example

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you are listening to the podcast with

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Jeanne and Chris on the power cast with

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Scott Alan Roberts trying to make sense

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01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:00,890
of ancient history about varying

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01:20:07,420 --> 01:20:03,470
interpretations trying to figure out

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01:20:13,470 --> 01:20:07,430
what happened and whether et came here

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and et what intermingled with us ET

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fanfare yeah now the other thing of

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01:20:23,620 --> 01:20:20,450
course is that if there was this sort of

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flood would it be a catastrophic weather

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event would be a typhoon or would it be

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some sort of global catastrophe can we

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unearth that Scottie what we've found

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and again what we have surmised at least

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within theology it says it rained 40

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days and 40 nights that's the story of

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:46,100
the flood that we all took from Sunday

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01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:49,370
school what we don't always focus on is

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01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,590
the other little tidbits it says about

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01:20:55,390 --> 01:20:53,600
this flood it says it says and the

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01:20:57,610 --> 01:20:55,400
window it says it rained and it said

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also that the windows of heaven were

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01:21:03,610 --> 01:21:00,170
opened it said also the Fountains of the

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:03,620
deep were broken open and I remember

2022
01:21:08,590 --> 01:21:05,810
when I was in Baptist youth group as a

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01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:08,600
kid we were touring some big cave down

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01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:12,890
south here somewhere and yeah our youth

2025
01:21:17,979 --> 01:21:14,540
pastor was saying now see this is an

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01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,989
obvious obvious remnant of The Fountains

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01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:20,480
of the deep having been broken open now

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01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:22,910
that's what he said he didn't give us

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01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:25,489
any geological facts about that but when

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01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:27,860
you look at the story of Genesis just

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01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:29,720
like everything in Genesis it talks

2032
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:30,920
about these stories that I would

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01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:33,410
collectively call creation myths flood

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01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:35,750
myths not there again if anybody's

2035
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:37,610
religious sensibilities but let's put it

2036
01:21:41,890 --> 01:21:39,890
all on the camp of the greatness of all

2037
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:41,900
these things you've got certain things

2038
01:21:46,510 --> 01:21:44,210
that are said in Genesis that are

2039
01:21:48,610 --> 01:21:46,520
obviously deeper than what they say on

2040
01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:48,620
the surface and you can find that by

2041
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:52,430
just the way Moses treated historical

2042
01:21:57,460 --> 01:21:55,760
characters he doesn't get into it but he

2043
01:22:00,670 --> 01:21:57,470
says things poetically he

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01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:00,680
since metaphorically he says them in

2045
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:03,740
encoded allegorical types of messages

2046
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:06,650
and so this flood if it was a

2047
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:10,010
catastrophic flood according to this it

2048
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:11,900
rained forty days and forty nights but

2049
01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:13,550
they were on the ark for another I think

2050
01:22:18,490 --> 01:22:16,280
it was a total of 120 days before the

2051
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:18,500
waters receded enough to come out is

2052
01:22:24,580 --> 01:22:20,960
this something that is a poetic language

2053
01:22:27,490 --> 01:22:24,590
talking about the receiving of ice h of

2054
01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:27,500
glaciers is it is it a mixture of flood

2055
01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:31,160
plains / flooding of great rains of a

2056
01:22:36,190 --> 01:22:34,100
great flood period we don't know for

2057
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:36,200
sure that's the problem is that all

2058
01:22:39,670 --> 01:22:37,910
these cultures speak of a flood even

2059
01:22:41,530 --> 01:22:39,680
here in the United States our Native

2060
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,540
American cultures have their stories of

2061
01:22:45,850 --> 01:22:43,520
floods but they also didn't live here

2062
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:45,860
back then they're carrying these stories

2063
01:22:50,980 --> 01:22:48,290
from their ancestors who migrated here

2064
01:22:53,050 --> 01:22:50,990
from other parts of the world so these

2065
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:53,060
grim of the Native Americans mine it and

2066
01:22:58,720 --> 01:22:56,930
take exception and I know you'll talk to

2067
01:23:00,250 --> 01:22:58,730
the Lakota too and saying you know the

2068
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:00,260
Black Hills are the center of the earth

2069
01:23:04,420 --> 01:23:02,330
and this is where the people have always

2070
01:23:06,460 --> 01:23:04,430
been and which by the way there's a

2071
01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:06,470
great story I mentioned from the Lakota

2072
01:23:10,030 --> 01:23:08,600
about creation and Adam and Eve and the

2073
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:10,040
trickster and so on they've got their

2074
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:12,050
own version that akitoki is their

2075
01:23:16,450 --> 01:23:14,210
trickster character but they all have

2076
01:23:19,390 --> 01:23:16,460
these versions the problem we all have

2077
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:19,400
guys is that you don't know which one is

2078
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:21,890
true and are they all true just

2079
01:23:28,060 --> 01:23:25,250
variations of the same thing you can say

2080
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:28,070
geologically geologists have proven that

2081
01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:29,600
you know even the Rocky Mountains were

2082
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:32,200
at one time underwater but is that pre

2083
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,330
upsurge of tectonic plates and it was

2084
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:37,040
once under the ocean and that's why you

2085
01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:38,750
can find seashells on the top of the

2086
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:41,870
mountains in the Rockies or is it NC

2087
01:23:46,510 --> 01:23:44,480
sediment fossilized sea sediment did

2088
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,520
that come from the fact that this was

2089
01:23:51,820 --> 01:23:49,040
prior to the the tectonic plates

2090
01:23:53,950 --> 01:23:51,830
shifting and the the separation of the

2091
01:23:56,170 --> 01:23:53,960
continent the continental drift I don't

2092
01:23:58,510 --> 01:23:56,180
know or is it referring to a great flood

2093
01:24:00,940 --> 01:23:58,520
the thing is you can study all this

2094
01:24:02,860 --> 01:24:00,950
stuff out and never come up with the

2095
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:02,870
with the answer that says conclusively

2096
01:24:07,420 --> 01:24:06,110
oh yeah it was one big catastrophic

2097
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:07,430
flood that happened over a hundred and

2098
01:24:10,459 --> 01:24:09,260
twenty day period there's just no way to

2099
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:10,469
prove that wouldn't

2100
01:24:15,290 --> 01:24:13,050
be some archaeological evidence that one

2101
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,300
can unearth it sure there's all kinds of

2102
01:24:19,879 --> 01:24:16,880
evidence you know when they find

2103
01:24:22,339 --> 01:24:19,889
complete villages that are submerged in

2104
01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:22,349
lakes and submerging oceans that date

2105
01:24:27,259 --> 01:24:24,780
back thousands of years they even look

2106
01:24:29,569 --> 01:24:27,269
at gobekli tepe which by the way the

2107
01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:29,579
high say that a lot by the way I don't

2108
01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:32,900
know why it's inhabited phrase but the

2109
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,219
Sumerian culture was once thought to be

2110
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,719
the oldest culture on the face of the

2111
01:24:40,489 --> 01:24:38,639
earth the civilization dating back at

2112
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,499
forty five to forty eight hundred BC

2113
01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:42,239
that's where we have our first cameo

2114
01:24:47,989 --> 01:24:45,150
form writing and the first advance of

2115
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:47,999
civilization so to speak yet they have

2116
01:24:53,899 --> 01:24:50,219
dated now gobekli tepe in the last few

2117
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:53,909
years back to 12,000 BC another 8,000

2118
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:57,030
years 7,500 years further back and this

2119
01:25:01,040 --> 01:24:58,320
is where they found all those circular

2120
01:25:03,819 --> 01:25:01,050
temples this series of circular temples

2121
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:03,829
all meticulously buried in the dirt and

2122
01:25:09,859 --> 01:25:07,260
earmarks of having been buried by hand

2123
01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:09,869
that buried by silt and erosion and

2124
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:10,710
things like that

2125
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,510
and they found them in perfect form and

2126
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:13,920
on all these temples are these great

2127
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,130
carvings of humans these monoliths and

2128
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:19,800
animals some animals unrecognizable and

2129
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,110
so the question is is this something

2130
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:24,719
that relates back to the flood or

2131
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:28,409
pre-flood we don't know we don't know

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for sure and it's it's trying to grab

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01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:32,519
all this stuff you can look at history

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01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:35,940
archaeology anthropology but then you

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01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,550
gotta say it all inevitably leads back

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01:25:42,109 --> 01:25:40,320
to somebody saying how does this tie

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01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,119
into these biblical events and these

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01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:43,679
great religious events that we talked

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:45,719
about it's still on the cusp of

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everybody's tongue even if they don't

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01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:49,139
believe it you know there's this this

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01:25:52,069 --> 01:25:50,820
just proves there was a great flood or

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01:25:54,919 --> 01:25:52,079
this doesn't prove that there was a

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01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:54,929
great flood things like that so all you

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01:25:58,489 --> 01:25:56,280
can do is look at this stuff and you got

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01:26:01,520 --> 01:25:58,499
it you start tying the bits and pieces

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01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:01,530
together as opposed to say I have this

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01:26:06,379 --> 01:26:04,440
thread of great facts that proves this

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01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:06,389
and this and this and you just don't

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:08,729
so me and what do you really do here how

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01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:10,650
do you find out what really happened

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01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:12,449
then we have so many fascinating

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01:26:16,459 --> 01:26:13,920
possibilities and we're going to cover

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01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:16,469
more as we proceed especially the fall

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01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:20,340
of the Nephilim what that means how can

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01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:24,150
we go about proving any of this I

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01:26:31,370 --> 01:26:26,790
what you do and this is what I have done

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01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:31,380
is I say I came out of a faith that

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01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:34,280
believed all this stuff cart block and

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so part of my starting point in all of

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01:26:41,660 --> 01:26:39,960
this was saying I want to know if this

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01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:41,670
stuff is real so I'm going to dig a

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01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:44,250
little bit and what I have done with

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01:26:49,100 --> 01:26:46,350
this book is just dig into the theology

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01:26:50,630 --> 01:26:49,110
behind it all and say look the theology

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01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:50,640
starts to make sense

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and when you can start making sense of

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the theology and say there's a bigger

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picture here than we were presented even

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in our synagogues and our churches if

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that bigger picture starts to

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materialize you can say now maybe that

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means there's a much bigger picture

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scientifically when I start to relate it

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to ancient aliens or UFOs or ancient

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star civilizations seeding ours and

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01:27:25,729 --> 01:27:22,920
manipulating our DNA that is just a

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version of events as a version to

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explain it and something I want to be

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very careful when I do this to not do is

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01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:33,179
this and that is say I just want to

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disprove that the Bible was true or that

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01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:37,710
religion is true I want to find a

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01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:39,330
different explanation I think that's the

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mistake a lot of people make and it's

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made on both sides of the camp you got

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some people that will say I want to

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prove that Jehovah is God and that all

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01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:48,420
these events of the Bible are true and

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so they filter everything through that

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and if the facts don't fit

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they say something's missing here

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because we just don't have all the facts

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but I know it's exactly as the Bible

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said the other side of the coin is

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saying I don't believe God existed at

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all

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so how do we make these things fit to

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make sure that we show that it has

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nothing to do with God and religion and

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I think this is the this is the rock and

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the hard place were caught be tuned with

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this as much as I can theorize or

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anybody else the hundreds of books that

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have been written about the nepheline

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before I wrote my book I'm just throwing

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another Apple on the cart to say this is

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my understanding of this passage and how

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it works

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theologically and when you set up the

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whole picture you can see a huge

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theological picture which says there's

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something to this story now I can take

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that and I

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move it out into the rest of the world

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and say how does it compare to

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everything else out there how does it

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compare to our geology how does it

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compare to our science do these things

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actually fit and then the big questions

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left are whatever happened it was a god

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that was involved or who is a race from

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01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:56,610
somewhere else that's involved there

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both things we have no way to know for

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sure that they actually happen other

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than our scant evidences and so we have

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to it's also gave a choose aside and say

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I'm going to be on this side and say

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that I think it's this and I'm going to

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start filtering all my information

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through this side and I think you're

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you're really honest people on either

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side of this coin are going to be people

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that say I don't know which one it was

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the rise and fall of the Nephilim with

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gene and Chris and the power cast you

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talk about the fall of these advanced

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beings what are you referring to did we

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tax them at their own game I here's what

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I saw theologically is that according to

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the Book of Enoch these beings that were

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be pleased by the been aha Elohim the

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Watchers and the intermingling with

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human women that had bequeath the race

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that were known as Giants they were also

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known as being very corrupt and that it

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was then that corrupted mankind they

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brought some great wickedness to mankind

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and this is the thing in the Genesis

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passage when God is talking about the

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sort of talk about the encoded words and

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the encoded subtexts what we learned

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about Noah and the Ark was God was

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disappointed with the wickedness of man

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so he chose to destroy all of mankind

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with a great flood and he chose the one

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righteous man and his family to build an

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ark and housing animals and so on we

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know the story from there what you've

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got when you start digging into the

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Hebrew and related to the story of the

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methylene you find out that it is a God

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that is angry with the race that has

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been created and he is going to wipe out

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that race and all of humanity was

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corrupted and became wicked because of

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their deeds and there was not a single

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family that was pure blooded human

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anymore other than Noah's family when it

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says in the English and God said that

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Noah was a righteous man and upstanding

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in all his ways in the Hebrew it says he

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was a pure blooded man pure in all his

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generations and he said now wait a

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minute what did that sound trivial to me

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it does sound racial God is that God is

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one of the biggest racists if you will

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in the Bible yeah well look at his

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chosen people look at the way he did

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things with his people look at how he

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had people wipe other people out you

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even go to King David you know you're

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talking thousands of years later David

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goes into the

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and wipes them out in the name of God

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and to cover his ass and so that's been

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going on ever since - yeah that's one

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interesting thing about David I say you

2393
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:11,480
look at this guy and this is Goliath

2394
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,250
comes into this by the way and talking

2395
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:15,920
about the nepheline David you got to

2396
01:36:21,940 --> 01:36:18,610
remember look at your extreme

2397
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:21,950
middle-eastern despots nowadays and how

2398
01:36:25,450 --> 01:36:23,810
they act and how their people are

2399
01:36:27,970 --> 01:36:25,460
treated and so on the ruling classes

2400
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:27,980
take that back a few thousand years

2401
01:36:32,710 --> 01:36:30,260
before you had what we refer to as

2402
01:36:35,950 --> 01:36:32,720
modern civilization and the temperance

2403
01:36:38,980 --> 01:36:35,960
of modern society on them in modern

2404
01:36:41,470 --> 01:36:38,990
cultures and mores you've got in King

2405
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:41,480
David a guy that was I read between the

2406
01:36:45,850 --> 01:36:43,280
texts of that and this guy was not a

2407
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:45,860
nice man and even though the Bible calls

2408
01:36:50,230 --> 01:36:47,690
him the man after God's own heart the

2409
01:36:52,270 --> 01:36:50,240
sweet psalmist of Israel he did some

2410
01:36:54,490 --> 01:36:52,280
pretty dastardly things he committed

2411
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:54,500
genocide and well genocide would be a

2412
01:36:59,380 --> 01:36:57,050
race he committed absolutely wiped out

2413
01:37:01,630 --> 01:36:59,390
certain villages and towns to cover his

2414
01:37:03,790 --> 01:37:01,640
tracks and that was the only reason he

2415
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:03,800
did it he was a murderer all these

2416
01:37:08,170 --> 01:37:05,510
things but it starts with that story of

2417
01:37:10,660 --> 01:37:08,180
David and Goliath and Goliath is just

2418
01:37:13,090 --> 01:37:10,670
he's even referred to and other parts of

2419
01:37:16,420 --> 01:37:13,100
the of the Old Testament Goliath and his

2420
01:37:18,340 --> 01:37:16,430
three brothers who lived in gas in the

2421
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,350
the Philistine territory it said that

2422
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:20,480
they were the children of a nap the

2423
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,910
nepheline boy I'll tell you if David was

2424
01:37:26,890 --> 01:37:25,040
alive today he's not the kind of guy

2425
01:37:29,050 --> 01:37:26,900
that you'd want over trying to negotiate

2426
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:29,060
a peaceful settlement in developed city

2427
01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:31,850
and there's no there's a passage where

2428
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:33,860
it says David when he's running from the

2429
01:37:37,930 --> 01:37:36,170
wrath of King Saul he leaves with

2430
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:37,940
nothing but the clothes on his back and

2431
01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:40,730
he comes to the the town of Nob where

2432
01:37:44,980 --> 01:37:42,830
the high priests and the the priestly

2433
01:37:47,710 --> 01:37:44,990
caste lived that said the high priest

2434
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:47,720
Abimelech ran out to meet David and fell

2435
01:37:53,650 --> 01:37:51,170
to his knees in fear and said with his

2436
01:37:56,140 --> 01:37:53,660
head bowed his hands up said what do you

2437
01:38:00,520 --> 01:37:56,150
have to do with us David son of Jesse

2438
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:00,530
and he's afraid of David and David says

2439
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:02,930
get up he says I need the sword of

2440
01:38:06,910 --> 01:38:04,730
Goliath that's been in your keeping and

2441
01:38:09,460 --> 01:38:06,920
so on you know the story this guy was

2442
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:09,470
afraid of David he was the captain of

2443
01:38:14,050 --> 01:38:11,570
the Kings bodyguard and he was

2444
01:38:16,660 --> 01:38:14,060
known to be anointed by the prophet of

2445
01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:16,670
Israel to be the next king and this guy

2446
01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:19,580
was nobody to trifle with this was a guy

2447
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,820
who you almost see the mob in a way

2448
01:38:27,460 --> 01:38:24,800
there was a story where there's a rich

2449
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:27,470
guy named ball I think was his name and

2450
01:38:32,230 --> 01:38:29,860
he had this gorgeous wife Abigail and

2451
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:32,240
David and his men would protect his

2452
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:34,610
sheep and then he come to get food for

2453
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:36,350
his men in payment and he says I never

2454
01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:38,630
hired you and so they're gonna kill name

2455
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:40,550
ball and wipe out his whole family I

2456
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:42,890
mean what does that sound like hey you

2457
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:44,960
get a nice little shop here on the strip

2458
01:38:49,390 --> 01:38:47,210
we want our thousand dollars a month or

2459
01:38:51,460 --> 01:38:49,400
we'll shut it down okay this is the

2460
01:38:55,770 --> 01:38:51,470
early yeah this is the early version of

2461
01:38:59,410 --> 01:38:55,780
the Mafia huh yeah

2462
01:39:02,110 --> 01:38:59,420
this is the story and by mentioning of

2463
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:02,120
this I'm trying to also illustrate the

2464
01:39:06,970 --> 01:39:04,970
point that there is so much subtext to

2465
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:06,980
what we read in the scripture you got a

2466
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:09,620
gig and look between the lines to find

2467
01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:11,810
the real stories well ever since I was

2468
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:12,590
quite young

2469
01:39:18,370 --> 01:39:15,410
in reading the Bible are these really

2470
01:39:20,530 --> 01:39:18,380
interesting references to to the

2471
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:20,540
lifespans of people like Methuselah and

2472
01:39:26,770 --> 01:39:23,930
Enoch and in some of the Old Testament

2473
01:39:28,690 --> 01:39:26,780
I guess founding fathers if you will is

2474
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:28,700
there a possibility that some sort of

2475
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:32,060
genetic manipulation allowed for these

2476
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:33,890
incredible life spans of hundreds of

2477
01:39:40,810 --> 01:39:37,520
years you would think that a mention

2478
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:40,820
like that you know it's just to me it's

2479
01:39:45,940 --> 01:39:43,690
it's so casual the way the way these

2480
01:39:48,430 --> 01:39:45,950
beans are mentioned in terms of their

2481
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,440
lifespan so what are we to make of that

2482
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:50,960
well there we had a version of that that

2483
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:54,110
was taught in our seminary and it had to

2484
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:55,880
do with creation in the flood but if

2485
01:40:00,340 --> 01:39:57,770
you'll notice something the first

2486
01:40:03,820 --> 01:40:00,350
mention of the lifespan of mankind being

2487
01:40:05,290 --> 01:40:03,830
decreased was in between the verses that

2488
01:40:07,210 --> 01:40:05,300
talk about the methylene and the

2489
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,220
beginning of the Noah's story there's

2490
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:08,960
two little verses in there talks about

2491
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:10,250
the Nephilim and all that then it says

2492
01:40:14,770 --> 01:40:13,010
and God spirit would not strive with man

2493
01:40:17,170 --> 01:40:14,780
forever for his years will now be a

2494
01:40:18,910 --> 01:40:17,180
hundred and twenty years and it's

2495
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:18,920
whoever's writing about this whole event

2496
01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:20,570
he's talking about the reduction of the

2497
01:40:25,209 --> 01:40:23,060
lifespan now some of the Year

2498
01:40:26,740 --> 01:40:25,219
creationist scholars

2499
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:26,750
and when they're talking about the flood

2500
01:40:30,729 --> 01:40:29,600
we were talking earlier about how did it

2501
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:30,739
happen you know where were some of the

2502
01:40:35,530 --> 01:40:32,780
geological things some of the things

2503
01:40:37,780 --> 01:40:35,540
that they surmise and it's based on some

2504
01:40:39,490 --> 01:40:37,790
of their geological studies and I think

2505
01:40:41,650 --> 01:40:39,500
of guys like Edgar Morris you know I

2506
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:41,660
think Edmund was his first name big

2507
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,239
creation theorists out there but he

2508
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:46,400
writes about the lifespan of human

2509
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:48,380
beings being greater because there was

2510
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,500
this UV protection so to speak he said

2511
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:54,080
before the flood the antediluvian world

2512
01:40:58,660 --> 01:40:56,930
he said the he bases it on the verse it

2513
01:41:01,540 --> 01:40:58,670
says the windows of heaven were cracked

2514
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,550
open and came crashing down he talks

2515
01:41:05,709 --> 01:41:03,440
about there being a vapor canopy that

2516
01:41:07,330 --> 01:41:05,719
covered the earth at the time and that

2517
01:41:09,070 --> 01:41:07,340
this it's almost like you would go out

2518
01:41:10,750 --> 01:41:09,080
any given day and it was always hot and

2519
01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:10,760
humid and hazy you'd never really see

2520
01:41:16,030 --> 01:41:12,860
the blue sky you could see the hazy Sun

2521
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:16,040
and this canopy blocked to the UV rays

2522
01:41:20,380 --> 01:41:18,170
and therefore allowed men to live longer

2523
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:20,390
and at the flood that was broken down

2524
01:41:24,490 --> 01:41:22,250
for the first time after the flood they

2525
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:24,500
saw a blue sky this is the theory that

2526
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:26,090
they put forward and they base it on

2527
01:41:29,170 --> 01:41:27,530
their facts which I don't know all their

2528
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:29,180
facts but this is this is the theory

2529
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:31,850
they put forward so I happen to think

2530
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:35,810
that the nepheline had been with mankind

2531
01:41:41,170 --> 01:41:38,210
from the time of the Garden of Eden and

2532
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,180
that whole we talked about I alluded to

2533
01:41:46,959 --> 01:41:43,760
the impregnation of Eve by Nakash the

2534
01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:46,969
serpent Nakash being the bright shining

2535
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:49,820
one I believe Cain one of the twins of

2536
01:41:53,740 --> 01:41:51,890
Adam and Eve at Cain and Abel I believe

2537
01:41:56,740 --> 01:41:53,750
Cain was the first of the methylene and

2538
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:56,750
that that carried on all throughout all

2539
01:42:00,459 --> 01:41:58,640
the way up until the time of the flood

2540
01:42:02,410 --> 01:42:00,469
and said the earth was populated with

2541
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:02,420
these beings and you don't see any of

2542
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:04,730
these great lifespans after the flood

2543
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:07,010
they all took place before the flood

2544
01:42:11,170 --> 01:42:08,930
they ended at the flood and there's even

2545
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:11,180
that mention and will now be 120 years

2546
01:42:17,229 --> 01:42:15,410
will be the max life lifespan another

2547
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:17,239
interesting thing Scotty I want to want

2548
01:42:21,610 --> 01:42:19,910
to bring up too and I think your your

2549
01:42:23,290 --> 01:42:21,620
observation on that is is interesting

2550
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:23,300
there's there's a couple of things one

2551
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:26,030
is if Adam and Eve were the first humans

2552
01:42:30,939 --> 01:42:29,210
and maybe got you know a family you

2553
01:42:33,729 --> 01:42:30,949
would have to have some serious

2554
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:33,739
incestuous activity going on in order to

2555
01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:38,280
populate the earth so so to bring in a

2556
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:40,470
some sort of other genetic strain into

2557
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:46,050
the picture would make sense yeah go

2558
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:47,730
ahead I'm sorry didn't mean to cut you

2559
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:50,610
out there say you know that kind of

2560
01:42:57,260 --> 01:42:53,730
leads some credence to the to the idea

2561
01:43:01,550 --> 01:42:57,270
of outside genetic influence well I I

2562
01:43:03,290 --> 01:43:01,560
wrote a chapter in new page books lost

2563
01:43:05,020 --> 01:43:03,300
civilizations and mysteries of the past

2564
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:05,030
there was an anthology book with about

2565
01:43:09,980 --> 01:43:08,340
dozen or so authors and I was one of

2566
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:09,990
them and I wrote on Cain and the other

2567
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:13,530
people and it's an interesting story

2568
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:16,020
you've got Cain and Abel and it's

2569
01:43:20,210 --> 01:43:18,570
interesting that that God at the curse

2570
01:43:21,980 --> 01:43:20,220
he says to the serpent there will be

2571
01:43:24,740 --> 01:43:21,990
enmity between the seed of the serpent

2572
01:43:27,170 --> 01:43:24,750
of the seed of the man that the seed of

2573
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:27,180
humans and what you've got then the next

2574
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:28,860
story is about Cain and Abel and Cain

2575
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:31,560
and Abel you know Cain was a tiller of

2576
01:43:35,690 --> 01:43:33,090
the ground and he offered up the

2577
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:35,700
firstfruits of all of his vegetables and

2578
01:43:40,370 --> 01:43:38,370
his crops and burned them as a sacrifice

2579
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:40,380
and then there was Abel who was a

2580
01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:43,500
shepherd and he offered up the blood the

2581
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,480
sacrifice therefore God accepted his

2582
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:47,040
sacrifice there was something about the

2583
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:50,910
blood being shed and Cain was jealous so

2584
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:53,130
he murders his brother and this is the

2585
01:43:57,650 --> 01:43:54,510
story that we're given I thought it was

2586
01:43:59,210 --> 01:43:57,660
very interesting in this this whole text

2587
01:44:01,190 --> 01:43:59,220
it's either was something that happened

2588
01:44:02,690 --> 01:44:01,200
and we just don't know about it or it

2589
01:44:04,300 --> 01:44:02,700
was omitted for a reason or it didn't

2590
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:04,310
happen when you see all these

2591
01:44:09,230 --> 01:44:07,110
conversations that God has with Cain

2592
01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:09,240
tell you what we have more conversations

2593
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:11,670
coming up with gene and Chris you're in

2594
01:44:23,970 --> 01:44:21,750
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2595
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2598
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a private bank having a led back at

2614
01:45:10,990 --> 01:45:09,230
interest

2615
01:45:12,670 --> 01:45:11,000
forcing taxes to serviced at this

2616
01:45:14,290 --> 01:45:12,680
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

2617
01:45:15,940 --> 01:45:14,300
when stating a central bank issuing the

2618
01:45:17,050 --> 01:45:15,950
public currency is a greater menace to

2619
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:17,060
the liberties of the people than a

2620
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:18,770
standing army today Anderson I'm placing

2621
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:19,970
a free silver dollar and a book that

2622
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,010
explains our monetary system call for

2623
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:25,280
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2624
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:28,370
understand the system call 866 to 237

2625
01:45:37,569 --> 01:45:31,450
that's 800 686 to 237

2626
01:45:45,580 --> 01:45:41,270
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2627
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:45,590
standard of paranormal radio and now

2628
01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:52,590
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

2629
01:45:56,899 --> 01:45:54,900
Chris you're in the para cast with Scott

2630
01:46:00,049 --> 01:45:56,909
Alan Roberts and we're trying to talk

2631
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:00,059
about these conversations they had with

2632
01:46:05,419 --> 01:46:02,729
the creature they perceived to be God

2633
01:46:07,339 --> 01:46:05,429
so we're some of our CT was multilingual

2634
01:46:09,799 --> 01:46:07,349
but then I guess the ultimate question

2635
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:09,809
here in our final few portions of the

2636
01:46:15,259 --> 01:46:13,199
show is trying to identify who or what

2637
01:46:18,290 --> 01:46:15,269
these creatures might have been were

2638
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:18,300
they ET divine beings we'd assumed

2639
01:46:22,819 --> 01:46:20,489
they'd be divine beings based on our

2640
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,829
state of civilization way back then well

2641
01:46:27,049 --> 01:46:24,840
that's certainly how ancient men

2642
01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:27,059
perceived them at least the records we

2643
01:46:31,339 --> 01:46:29,190
had in religious historical accounts why

2644
01:46:32,839 --> 01:46:31,349
like the book of Genesis I find out

2645
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:32,849
where we left off I was talking about

2646
01:46:37,879 --> 01:46:35,130
Cain and all these conversations God had

2647
01:46:40,669 --> 01:46:37,889
with him right he was Cain

2648
01:46:42,529 --> 01:46:40,679
then when Cain murders his brother he

2649
01:46:43,609 --> 01:46:42,539
stalks him the famous question - what am

2650
01:46:46,339 --> 01:46:43,619
I my brother's keeper

2651
01:46:48,290 --> 01:46:46,349
he says you just you're gonna cast me

2652
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:48,300
out you're gonna exile me he says how do

2653
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:50,340
I know if I go out there that people who

2654
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:53,010
find me won't kill me and the big

2655
01:46:57,469 --> 01:46:54,719
question is okay let's see there's Adam

2656
01:46:58,850 --> 01:46:57,479
there's Eve the Hebrew genealogies were

2657
01:47:00,589 --> 01:46:58,860
pretty meticulous there's nobody else

2658
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:00,599
mentioned except Cain and Abel and now

2659
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,130
there's a chicken scratch through Abel

2660
01:47:06,319 --> 01:47:03,960
so you got these three people according

2661
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:06,329
to the text and then it says Cain leaves

2662
01:47:11,629 --> 01:47:09,420
and he he impregnates his wife and bears

2663
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:11,639
a child named him Enoch not the Enoch of

2664
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:12,900
the Book of Enoch this is several

2665
01:47:17,450 --> 01:47:15,090
generations earlier and then he builds a

2666
01:47:19,459 --> 01:47:17,460
city and names the city after Enoch

2667
01:47:22,339 --> 01:47:19,469
which by the way the etymology of the

2668
01:47:24,049 --> 01:47:22,349
old words by the way Enoch if you if you

2669
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:24,059
look at it through the filter of the

2670
01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:26,489
ancient language the e becomes an eye

2671
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,400
the n becomes an R sound I there's no

2672
01:47:32,509 --> 01:47:31,440
logic to it I don't know why it works

2673
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,519
that way but those are the dated

2674
01:47:38,839 --> 01:47:34,320
basically the word Enoch is the word

2675
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:38,849
Iraq or Luke and so there's a city Luke

2676
01:47:43,399 --> 01:47:41,369
in Iraq today that actually by

2677
01:47:46,279 --> 01:47:43,409
definition over the centuries has come

2678
01:47:48,259 --> 01:47:46,289
to mean the original city so they think

2679
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:48,269
this is the city that came built in the

2680
01:47:54,770 --> 01:47:50,340
Mesopotamian valley they're in Iraq

2681
01:47:57,530 --> 01:47:54,780
that all of these how do we know who is

2682
01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:57,540
interacting with cane at that time we go

2683
01:48:01,399 --> 01:47:59,880
you brought up a an interesting point a

2684
01:48:03,740 --> 01:48:01,409
while ago where the were there two

2685
01:48:05,540 --> 01:48:03,750
factions that were dealing with humanity

2686
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:05,550
we don't know that for sure but what we

2687
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:08,010
do know what we have called the war in

2688
01:48:11,209 --> 01:48:08,510
heaven

2689
01:48:13,609 --> 01:48:11,219
Lucifer's fall and things like that and

2690
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:13,619
that's the good versus evil those all

2691
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,170
seem like such simplistic ways of

2692
01:48:20,660 --> 01:48:18,960
describing something that's a religious

2693
01:48:22,370 --> 01:48:20,670
way of describing something but there

2694
01:48:24,770 --> 01:48:22,380
was history to it as well as we've

2695
01:48:27,020 --> 01:48:24,780
already determined so were they dealing

2696
01:48:28,820 --> 01:48:27,030
with God were they dealing with Lucifer

2697
01:48:30,910 --> 01:48:28,830
or Satan or angels or demons or were

2698
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:30,920
they dealing with different factions of

2699
01:48:35,390 --> 01:48:33,000
extra-terrestrial beings non-human

2700
01:48:37,129 --> 01:48:35,400
entities we don't know for sure what we

2701
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:37,139
do know is that they seem to be set up

2702
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,330
at odds against each other and the

2703
01:48:43,939 --> 01:48:42,480
bloodlines from Eden when God curses the

2704
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:43,949
serpent says there will be this enmity

2705
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:46,409
this conflict constantly between the

2706
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:47,610
seed of the serpent in the seed of

2707
01:48:50,270 --> 01:48:48,239
humans

2708
01:48:52,189 --> 01:48:50,280
this sets up why you have all the

2709
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,199
genealogy you know those all those long

2710
01:48:57,020 --> 01:48:54,239
boring chapters of genealogies in the

2711
01:49:00,800 --> 01:48:57,030
Old Testament where you know Azusa levy

2712
01:49:03,379 --> 01:49:00,810
dad they have and they have no one lots

2713
01:49:05,089 --> 01:49:03,389
of baguettes in the Hebrew tradition all

2714
01:49:07,010 --> 01:49:05,099
these genealogies were taken to the

2715
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:07,020
firstborn sons of every family and

2716
01:49:10,609 --> 01:49:08,460
that's and they might have skipped a

2717
01:49:13,129 --> 01:49:10,619
generation here there but sometimes

2718
01:49:13,879 --> 01:49:13,139
father was called grandfather or so on

2719
01:49:15,770 --> 01:49:13,889
and so forth

2720
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:15,780
but you got all these genealogies set up

2721
01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:19,290
when you get to King David you finally

2722
01:49:23,089 --> 01:49:21,599
trace his genealogy back to Adam but

2723
01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:23,099
they don't take it traditionally through

2724
01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:25,020
the firstborn team they take it through

2725
01:49:29,300 --> 01:49:27,030
a table the second point I don't know

2726
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:29,310
why did they do that then you get to

2727
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:31,290
Mary the mother of Jesus now you're

2728
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:33,090
talking about New Testament theology

2729
01:49:38,660 --> 01:49:36,050
let's presuppose for the sake of this

2730
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:38,670
conversation the argument that Jesus of

2731
01:49:44,180 --> 01:49:41,369
Nazareth is indeed or Yeshua Marga shot

2732
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:44,190
the son of Joseph he did indeed the

2733
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,760
Messiah

2734
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:46,800
well what his followers did in the

2735
01:49:52,820 --> 01:49:50,010
Gospels they trace Mary's family back to

2736
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:52,830
David because they had to establish that

2737
01:49:57,140 --> 01:49:54,690
Jesus was of the line of David that was

2738
01:49:59,060 --> 01:49:57,150
one of the the post Davidic prophecies

2739
01:50:01,250 --> 01:49:59,070
of the Christ is that he wouldn't sprout

2740
01:50:03,140 --> 01:50:01,260
from the royal line of David and then

2741
01:50:03,979 --> 01:50:03,150
they traced David again back to Adam

2742
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:03,989
through

2743
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:06,810
the lesser born Abel now why did they do

2744
01:50:10,970 --> 01:50:08,790
this why did they break tradition and

2745
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:10,980
trace into the lesser born I think

2746
01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:12,930
there's a reason for that it's the whole

2747
01:50:18,650 --> 01:50:15,780
bloodline issue in the Hebrew way of

2748
01:50:21,770 --> 01:50:18,660
thinking Messiah meant kinsman redeemer

2749
01:50:24,860 --> 01:50:21,780
it was a redeemer for mankind that had

2750
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:24,870
to come from one of us he had to be full

2751
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:26,520
of human blood there's that whole

2752
01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:28,380
theology here at a Christmas time in

2753
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:30,780
church he was one of us you know we hear

2754
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:32,610
all that stuff about that that's that's

2755
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:35,580
our ancient Hebrew theology based on the

2756
01:50:42,170 --> 01:50:39,090
kinsman redeemer now why did they trace

2757
01:50:44,930 --> 01:50:42,180
his line back to Abel instead of Cain

2758
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:44,940
because Cain was not at the pure human

2759
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:48,330
blood and Noah was traced back to able

2760
01:50:52,459 --> 01:50:50,310
to Adam because Noah was the only

2761
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,469
righteous quote-unquote the only pure

2762
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:54,719
blooded man pure and all his generations

2763
01:50:59,690 --> 01:50:57,600
not tainted by the blood of Nakash or

2764
01:51:01,190 --> 01:50:59,700
the blood of this other race and so

2765
01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:01,200
there was this distinction and that's

2766
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:02,820
why God even in the garden so there will

2767
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:04,650
be enmity between the feet of the

2768
01:51:09,740 --> 01:51:06,690
servant listing of the humans there is a

2769
01:51:11,450 --> 01:51:09,750
dual bloodline that existed and the

2770
01:51:13,570 --> 01:51:11,460
Messiah that Kings been redeemed that

2771
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:13,580
whole theology of the kinsman redeemer

2772
01:51:17,690 --> 01:51:15,840
was built that it had to come from the

2773
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:17,700
pure bloodline and this is why Abel was

2774
01:51:22,670 --> 01:51:20,250
mentioned but it's never explained in

2775
01:51:25,250 --> 01:51:22,680
the passages David I spent trying to

2776
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:25,260
explain it and talking about iliyan

2777
01:51:31,670 --> 01:51:29,850
bloodlines and stuff to this book is

2778
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:31,680
that I'm working on it's tentatively

2779
01:51:36,020 --> 01:51:34,500
entitled the reptilian enigma and I

2780
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:36,030
subtitled it it's all going to get

2781
01:51:40,970 --> 01:51:38,690
change I'm sure but I subtitled it the

2782
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:40,980
pervasive presence of the serpent in

2783
01:51:46,610 --> 01:51:43,610
human history religion and alien mythos

2784
01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:46,620
now I think David Icke and I mention it

2785
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,340
in my book

2786
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:50,239
I don't like David Icke personally I

2787
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:54,300
David Icke to me is an anti-semite is

2788
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:57,360
somebody that promotes racism as veiled

2789
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:00,780
as it may be but he is no different and

2790
01:52:05,570 --> 01:52:03,480
pardon me for saying this I see him no

2791
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:05,580
different he's he's a neo-nazi as far as

2792
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,170
I'm concerned he's saying the same

2793
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:08,880
things they said in the town in the

2794
01:52:13,820 --> 01:52:10,710
final solution under the Third Reich

2795
01:52:15,860 --> 01:52:13,830
there is a race that is responsible for

2796
01:52:17,660 --> 01:52:15,870
all the ills and woes of mankind and

2797
01:52:20,419 --> 01:52:17,670
David Icke will put forward the same

2798
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:20,429
idea now maybe I'll have a beer someday

2799
01:52:23,060 --> 01:52:22,050
or David Icke and he'll correct me but

2800
01:52:25,340 --> 01:52:23,070
this is what it looks like on the

2801
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:25,350
surface you go to his website these are

2802
01:52:29,330 --> 01:52:27,449
the things he teaches he fill stadiums I

2803
01:52:31,459 --> 01:52:29,340
think David Icke is somebody who has

2804
01:52:33,740 --> 01:52:31,469
taken this theory and maybe started with

2805
01:52:35,870 --> 01:52:33,750
something it was pretty cool you know

2806
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:35,880
you had an idea there and it worked but

2807
01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:39,449
it is now transformed listen Scotty one

2808
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:42,660
second here in reference to David Icke I

2809
01:52:47,090 --> 01:52:44,940
think what's the old adage if you steal

2810
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,100
from one person it's plagiarism if you

2811
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:48,719
steal from a bunch of people they call

2812
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:53,460
it research not many original ideas

2813
01:52:59,240 --> 01:52:57,210
there I I'm good friends with his

2814
01:53:01,580 --> 01:52:59,250
soon-to-be ex-wife she's actually a very

2815
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:01,590
dear friend of mine and she kind of made

2816
01:53:06,590 --> 01:53:04,130
me go down and watch his eight hour

2817
01:53:09,740 --> 01:53:06,600
presentation a couple years back in

2818
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:09,750
Phoenix I had a front-row seat I had to

2819
01:53:14,090 --> 01:53:11,250
wear my sunglasses so he couldn't tell I

2820
01:53:16,939 --> 01:53:14,100
was sleeping but he spent the whole

2821
01:53:19,490 --> 01:53:16,949
first four hours admonishing everybody

2822
01:53:21,860 --> 01:53:19,500
for for you know the words

2823
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:21,870
responsible for creating our own reality

2824
01:53:28,610 --> 01:53:23,730
and the quality of our existence is all

2825
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:28,620
self determined but then he's meant to

2826
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:30,840
let the next four hours after I'd left

2827
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:33,570
scaring the bejesus out everybody this

2828
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:36,810
Reptoid talk so I'll tell you I would

2829
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:47,120
Star Trek fan and ice at once

2830
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:49,530
back when I think is four or five was

2831
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:52,110
coming out the number five was coming on

2832
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:53,730
they had this thing called sit long and

2833
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,080
prosper and you could go to your local

2834
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:56,880
theater that sponsored it and watch the

2835
01:54:02,540 --> 01:54:00,000
first four Star Trek movies that was

2836
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:02,550
eight hours I love Star Trek by the time

2837
01:54:06,410 --> 01:54:04,350
I was through the third movie I'm like

2838
01:54:09,530 --> 01:54:06,420
scratching my ass and going man I'm

2839
01:54:12,169 --> 01:54:09,540
hungry I'm gonna watch the Star Wars

2840
01:54:14,419 --> 01:54:12,179
movies after this that's all they gave

2841
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,429
up on Star Trek no I couldn't watch any

2842
01:54:19,490 --> 01:54:17,520
of these movie festivals now exception

2843
01:54:23,180 --> 01:54:19,500
here some of these old movie serials

2844
01:54:26,689 --> 01:54:23,190
back from the 40s like Captain Marvel

2845
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,699
with Tom Tyler now I can watch back

2846
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:28,080
which is like two and a half three hours

2847
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:31,410
if you watch the entire 15 chapters or

2848
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:33,810
so we're a 13 channel right I could sit

2849
01:54:38,660 --> 01:54:35,760
through them okay I've done that with a

2850
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:38,670
few of those movie serials but actually

2851
01:54:43,940 --> 01:54:41,280
going through a movie festival after the

2852
01:54:46,940 --> 01:54:43,950
first couple of movies I'm gone I once

2853
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:46,950
hosted at my house a few years ago the

2854
01:54:50,810 --> 01:54:48,810
complete let's let's all get together

2855
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:50,820
get about twelve people came over at a

2856
01:54:55,070 --> 01:54:53,490
bar in the house a big big TV and we

2857
01:54:58,430 --> 01:54:55,080
watched all three of Lord of the Rings

2858
01:55:00,320 --> 01:54:58,440
extended plays and we had n it once and

2859
01:55:02,420 --> 01:55:00,330
dinner and all of that it was fun we had

2860
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:02,430
a good time but that's a long time to

2861
01:55:06,650 --> 01:55:03,930
sit on your button listen to anything

2862
01:55:10,010 --> 01:55:06,660
and by the way talking by the way I

2863
01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:10,020
think had a handle beneath the subtext

2864
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,300
of his fictional stories on stuff that

2865
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:14,400
was going on and you know what I'm gonna

2866
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:15,840
ask you about that our next segment

2867
01:55:20,750 --> 01:55:18,210
Scott Allen Robert Springs up talking

2868
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:20,760
often on our show this week and we've

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got to explore this with Gene and Kris

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was cut Alan Roberts and you raised the

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name of a famous fantasy fiction writer

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he had his hands on something there he

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was saying something other than just

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enjoyable fiction I think he had his

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mind wrapped around something and let me

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preface it by saying this one thing

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02:00:26,990 --> 02:00:24,330
you'll find when you crack open the real

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small story of the methylene you find

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02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:29,520
out it is a huge story it is all

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02:00:34,010 --> 02:00:31,770
encompassing this is a story that when

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02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:34,020
you go through the theological line

2988
02:00:38,030 --> 02:00:35,730
through the Hebrew Scripture you will

2989
02:00:40,310 --> 02:00:38,040
find this is a huge story encompassing

2990
02:00:42,110 --> 02:00:40,320
all of mankind and all of mankind's

2991
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:42,120
events you bring David Icke into the

2992
02:00:45,710 --> 02:00:43,890
picture and you find that he has taken

2993
02:00:47,990 --> 02:00:45,720
off on that in a totally different trail

2994
02:00:50,060 --> 02:00:48,000
sourcing in the same stuff and it's

2995
02:00:52,670 --> 02:00:50,070
affecting all of humanity you look at

2996
02:00:54,740 --> 02:00:52,680
Tolkien he wrote a book about orcs and

2997
02:00:56,540 --> 02:00:54,750
humans and elves and he was talking

2998
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:56,550
about the Third Age of man and all of

2999
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,800
these things if you start really digging

3000
02:01:02,990 --> 02:01:00,960
apart some of his stuff you'll find that

3001
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:03,000
he was latched into some pretty deep

3002
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:05,490
mythology sources back in all of this

3003
02:01:09,650 --> 02:01:07,440
methylene stuff first time I ever really

3004
02:01:11,930 --> 02:01:09,660
noticed it was there's two things in

3005
02:01:14,180 --> 02:01:11,940
particular the elven folk and then there

3006
02:01:16,370 --> 02:01:14,190
was the calling up of the demonic armies

3007
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:16,380
of the orcs and so on there's a legend I

3008
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:17,610
think it even goes into this the

3009
02:01:21,980 --> 02:01:19,710
Freemasons I'm not talking about the

3010
02:01:24,110 --> 02:01:21,990
Freemasons now but the Freemasons talk

3011
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:24,120
about who was a Hiram who was supposed

3012
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:25,800
to be the guy who built architected

3013
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:28,080
first temple of this yes they say that

3014
02:01:33,290 --> 02:01:30,690
Solomon had a ring and that this ring

3015
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,300
was something that gave him power over

3016
02:01:38,180 --> 02:01:35,520
the demonic forces to come and he could

3017
02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:38,190
call the demonic forces the evil forces

3018
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:39,510
to do his bidding

3019
02:01:42,770 --> 02:01:41,280
Scottie rosemary ellen guiley Oh who's

3020
02:01:45,110 --> 02:01:42,780
done quite a bit of research into this

3021
02:01:47,210 --> 02:01:45,120
whole scenario would argue with the

3022
02:01:49,010 --> 02:01:47,220
demonic tag that you're placing on these

3023
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:49,020
entities she argues for the

3024
02:01:52,430 --> 02:01:50,730
interpretation of these before says

3025
02:01:56,300 --> 02:01:52,440
being the jinn which I find very

3026
02:01:58,130 --> 02:01:56,310
compelling I just wanted to add that hot

3027
02:02:00,100 --> 02:01:58,140
topic right there to you know this is

3028
02:02:02,750 --> 02:02:00,110
something we're only starting to

3029
02:02:04,910 --> 02:02:02,760
resurface these stories of the jinn I

3030
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:04,920
believe that a Tolkien when he was

3031
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:07,650
writing newness and he incorporated into

3032
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:09,570
all his writings you look at the elven

3033
02:02:13,220 --> 02:02:11,490
folk and the way they are described in

3034
02:02:14,780 --> 02:02:13,230
his writing the Tawaf evading on I

3035
02:02:16,469 --> 02:02:14,790
mentioned earlier when they were the

3036
02:02:17,939 --> 02:02:16,479
Celtic peoples version

3037
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:17,949
the watchers that came down the Kings

3038
02:02:23,309 --> 02:02:20,649
from having the bright shining ones tall

3039
02:02:26,069 --> 02:02:23,319
elegant bright shining came and they

3040
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:26,079
became known as the elven folk who

3041
02:02:30,929 --> 02:02:28,719
receded into the Hollow Hills L the word

3042
02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:30,939
L I'm sorry there is a there's a direct

3043
02:02:35,819 --> 02:02:33,609
correlation to elohim l the name of God

3044
02:02:38,249 --> 02:02:35,829
L that's used it as the suffix to all

3045
02:02:41,129 --> 02:02:38,259
the great Archangels Michael Gabriel

3046
02:02:43,589 --> 02:02:41,139
Raphael all these different hazards L

3047
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:43,599
all these angels bore the name of God at

3048
02:02:47,729 --> 02:02:45,609
the ends of their names the Elven folk

3049
02:02:50,759 --> 02:02:47,739
the same I think a Tolkien this is one

3050
02:02:53,339 --> 02:02:50,769
pardon upon one bright shining example

3051
02:02:55,379 --> 02:02:53,349
of him extrapolating that information

3052
02:02:56,999 --> 02:02:55,389
over into his fictional stories and we

3053
02:02:58,979 --> 02:02:57,009
all know he was using those books to

3054
02:03:00,689 --> 02:02:58,989
really put out his poetry and things

3055
02:03:02,309 --> 02:03:00,699
like that and all the songs he'd write

3056
02:03:04,829 --> 02:03:02,319
in the link the linguistics he would

3057
02:03:06,659 --> 02:03:04,839
study that his whole sub basis - the

3058
02:03:09,779 --> 02:03:06,669
whole thing with all these theories of

3059
02:03:12,389 --> 02:03:09,789
these cultures that existed pre-adamic

3060
02:03:13,859 --> 02:03:12,399
culture pre biblical culture but they

3061
02:03:16,559 --> 02:03:13,869
all linked into all these different

3062
02:03:18,779 --> 02:03:16,569
beings so it's hit our fictions in

3063
02:03:20,759 --> 02:03:18,789
different ways because it's out there

3064
02:03:22,739 --> 02:03:20,769
it's there and can't be denied well I

3065
02:03:25,379 --> 02:03:22,749
you know again Scotty I think that

3066
02:03:28,139 --> 02:03:25,389
there's a lot of work that you just

3067
02:03:30,839 --> 02:03:28,149
can't really do I mean you can only go

3068
02:03:33,059 --> 02:03:30,849
so far with this material because of its

3069
02:03:35,609 --> 02:03:33,069
antiquity I think that this is it's very

3070
02:03:37,649 --> 02:03:35,619
entertaining when someone like zecharia

3071
02:03:39,389 --> 02:03:37,659
sitchin gets involved and starts

3072
02:03:40,829 --> 02:03:39,399
spinning it off in one direction and

3073
02:03:42,569 --> 02:03:40,839
David Icke and if you're entertained by

3074
02:03:44,399 --> 02:03:42,579
fear based stuff spinning off in another

3075
02:03:46,769 --> 02:03:44,409
direction but the bottom line is unless

3076
02:03:48,689 --> 02:03:46,779
we occasionally will see you know these

3077
02:03:50,669 --> 02:03:48,699
these archaeological finds that are

3078
02:03:52,979 --> 02:03:50,679
gradually pushing back the earliest

3079
02:03:55,079 --> 02:03:52,989
versions of these stories but so many

3080
02:03:56,879 --> 02:03:55,089
people were involved in editing and

3081
02:03:58,469 --> 02:03:56,889
writing the Bible I think I read an

3082
02:04:00,839 --> 02:03:58,479
article once that they've estimated that

3083
02:04:03,169 --> 02:04:00,849
upwards of 60 some people probably wrote

3084
02:04:06,059 --> 02:04:03,179
the Bible right unless you have a very

3085
02:04:08,939 --> 02:04:06,069
strict oral tradition as you find in

3086
02:04:10,439 --> 02:04:08,949
many indigenous cultures all this stuff

3087
02:04:12,419 --> 02:04:10,449
is subject to interpretation and

3088
02:04:14,729 --> 02:04:12,429
obviously has been twisted folded

3089
02:04:16,319 --> 02:04:14,739
mutilated and spindled through times so

3090
02:04:18,389 --> 02:04:16,329
you go around around in circles with the

3091
02:04:20,969 --> 02:04:18,399
stuff but there are really tantalizing

3092
02:04:23,489 --> 02:04:20,979
indications that we interacted at some

3093
02:04:25,919 --> 02:04:23,499
point with a nonhuman intelligence that

3094
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:25,929
was exalted in the eyes of us lowly

3095
02:04:31,009 --> 02:04:29,010
humans and you can't deny that something

3096
02:04:32,089 --> 02:04:31,019
happened it's defining what that

3097
02:04:34,189 --> 02:04:32,099
something is

3098
02:04:36,169 --> 02:04:34,199
sad to say it really is and we've said

3099
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:36,179
it before in this conversation a lot of

3100
02:04:40,009 --> 02:04:38,010
it is based on what your starting point

3101
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:40,019
is as to what you believe about these

3102
02:04:43,939 --> 02:04:42,000
things and then breaking free of that

3103
02:04:45,919 --> 02:04:43,949
starting point if you find something is

3104
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:45,929
different than what you believe my view

3105
02:04:50,419 --> 02:04:48,480
of God has changed immensely just in the

3106
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:50,429
writing of this book because I saw God

3107
02:04:54,109 --> 02:04:52,110
in a very different way than I

3108
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:54,119
understood him through all the theology

3109
02:04:57,890 --> 02:04:56,159
I learned he was scary back in the old

3110
02:04:59,959 --> 02:04:57,900
test in the days boy the wrathful God

3111
02:05:01,640 --> 02:04:59,969
when he got angry it was like oh boy

3112
02:05:03,890 --> 02:05:01,650
duck and cover here it comes

3113
02:05:09,169 --> 02:05:03,900
he wasn't workin Freeman he wasn't

3114
02:05:11,509 --> 02:05:09,179
George Burns I think it's interesting

3115
02:05:13,790 --> 02:05:11,519
about God that you find now again here's

3116
02:05:16,189 --> 02:05:13,800
Moses this guy who I think was

3117
02:05:18,259 --> 02:05:16,199
establishing his leadership over Israel

3118
02:05:20,569 --> 02:05:18,269
and his background was to become the

3119
02:05:22,759 --> 02:05:20,579
Pharaoh God of Egypt but instead he

3120
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:22,769
became the Pharaoh God of Israel you see

3121
02:05:28,069 --> 02:05:25,260
all these things he writes about God you

3122
02:05:29,629 --> 02:05:28,079
see him changing God's mind God was

3123
02:05:31,790 --> 02:05:29,639
really pissed off because the people

3124
02:05:33,770 --> 02:05:31,800
were worshiping the golden calf oh I'm

3125
02:05:36,529 --> 02:05:33,780
gonna destroy all these people and I'm

3126
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:36,539
gonna start it all over in you Moses and

3127
02:05:40,370 --> 02:05:39,119
Moses all know in all humility no God

3128
02:05:42,319 --> 02:05:40,380
you can't do that you know why you'd be

3129
02:05:44,330 --> 02:05:42,329
breaking your word because you promised

3130
02:05:47,029 --> 02:05:44,340
this to Abraham and his seed and it says

3131
02:05:49,069 --> 02:05:47,039
and God repented of the evil that he was

3132
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:49,079
going to do because Moses a man

3133
02:05:51,890 --> 02:05:50,610
convinced him that he was doing the

3134
02:05:54,799 --> 02:05:51,900
wrong thing what's wrong with that

3135
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:54,809
picture is you've got the all-knowing

3136
02:06:00,859 --> 02:05:58,260
almighty omnipotent omniscient God

3137
02:06:04,609 --> 02:06:00,869
suddenly having a guy change his mind

3138
02:06:07,009 --> 02:06:04,619
yes a guy when you boil it down he was a

3139
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:07,019
guy and he had motivations and ambitions

3140
02:06:10,939 --> 02:06:09,090
like anybody else I also found it very

3141
02:06:13,129 --> 02:06:10,949
interesting in the writing to Moses it's

3142
02:06:14,930 --> 02:06:13,139
right there in the Book of Numbers when

3143
02:06:16,609 --> 02:06:14,940
the children of Israel were wandering in

3144
02:06:18,350 --> 02:06:16,619
the wilderness for forty years and it

3145
02:06:20,990 --> 02:06:18,360
says in Moses set up his tent outside

3146
02:06:23,060 --> 02:06:21,000
the camp because he was the leader Moses

3147
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:23,070
is the guy who wrote this and it's in

3148
02:06:27,529 --> 02:06:25,170
Mose event God would come down in the

3149
02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:27,539
form of a cloud and settle on Moses tent

3150
02:06:33,020 --> 02:06:30,300
and Moses would talk to God commune with

3151
02:06:35,359 --> 02:06:33,030
God face to face as a man talks to his

3152
02:06:37,939 --> 02:06:35,369
friend but then nine verses later in the

3153
02:06:41,390 --> 02:06:37,949
same chapter he got God saying and no

3154
02:06:42,620 --> 02:06:41,400
man can see my face and live Moses worth

3155
02:06:47,540 --> 02:06:42,630
this what was Moses

3156
02:06:50,630 --> 02:06:47,550
yeah I think it was in need of an editor

3157
02:06:52,730 --> 02:06:50,640
to bot consistency you know we have

3158
02:06:54,380 --> 02:06:52,740
continuity people and motion pictures by

3159
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:54,390
the way you switch scenes and the

3160
02:06:57,770 --> 02:06:56,070
clothing can change sometimes it does

3161
02:06:59,840 --> 02:06:57,780
you see these silly errors were suddenly

3162
02:07:01,550 --> 02:06:59,850
somebody is wearing totally different

3163
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:01,560
clothing or the tire that was wrecked

3164
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:02,970
and the previous scene is now fixed

3165
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:05,370
again but Moses couldn't have done that

3166
02:07:08,510 --> 02:07:07,110
cookie that was a contradiction in

3167
02:07:10,070 --> 02:07:08,520
Scripture some people to all see the

3168
02:07:11,390 --> 02:07:10,080
Bible's full of contradictions I don't

3169
02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:11,400
think it's a contradiction at all

3170
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:13,590
I think the subtext there Moses who

3171
02:07:18,140 --> 02:07:15,570
wrote the chapter in the first place was

3172
02:07:21,110 --> 02:07:18,150
establishing that I am NOT just a man

3173
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:21,120
I am the Pharaoh God of Israel it wasn't

3174
02:07:25,340 --> 02:07:23,130
that his punishment at the end of his

3175
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:25,350
days Scotty if he was the Pharaoh God of

3176
02:07:30,740 --> 02:07:28,110
Israel I never could figure out how his

3177
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real lights could wander around for 40

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years in the Sinai which is not a very

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big place I mean boy he may have been

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godlike or something but he sure needed

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a GPS unit or a goodness people say I'm

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going over there you know where there's

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grass this is something - I always

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wondered about if you or I asked

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yourself this question if I stood there

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on the shore of the Red Sea and I saw

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the waters miraculously part and there's

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dry ground and I cross and I'm looking

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at whales swimming in the walls next to

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me and I get to the other side and

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Pharaohs army chases me and God

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miraculously closes it on Pharaoh's army

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if I saw that one event in my whole life

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what I ever think that God wasn't who he

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said he was we're talking about Alan

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on earth water it's essential for

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sustaining life but it's not always the

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most available when disaster strikes

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there's a Jim Mosely editor or a sausage

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smear and I'm here to say a good word or

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two about the para cast which I believe

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is the gold standard the paranormal

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radio listen to it if you can Scott Alan

3300
02:12:58,080 --> 02:12:54,970
Roberts joining us we're trying to look

3301
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at what was seen in ancient times with

3302
02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:00,040
Jane and Chris and the para cast and

3303
02:13:05,010 --> 02:13:02,140
this raises always the big question here

3304
02:13:08,220 --> 02:13:05,020
so we have all this literature we have

3305
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the Bible we have the Koran we have all

3306
02:13:13,380 --> 02:13:10,830
these sacred texts around the world

3307
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:13,390
talking of interactions with higher

3308
02:13:21,180 --> 02:13:18,250
beings so how do we find a focus on this

3309
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:21,190
how do we ever or is it even possible

3310
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:23,410
prove this one way or the other and you

3311
02:13:27,660 --> 02:13:25,090
have to wonder all this interaction took

3312
02:13:29,700 --> 02:13:27,670
place in ancient times and we still have

3313
02:13:31,860 --> 02:13:29,710
UFOs and strange things happening now

3314
02:13:34,860 --> 02:13:31,870
but the interaction doesn't seem to be

3315
02:13:37,380 --> 02:13:34,870
quite as blatant so I guess the question

3316
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,390
would be did they just set us loose and

3317
02:13:43,170 --> 02:13:39,760
leave or they just come back and watch

3318
02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:43,180
us why did it all change I look at it

3319
02:13:47,550 --> 02:13:45,430
this way I look at the life of Abraham

3320
02:13:49,290 --> 02:13:47,560
in the Old Testament we think wow what a

3321
02:13:51,870 --> 02:13:49,300
great patriarch he had all these

3322
02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:51,880
interactions with God and yet you only

3323
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:54,250
find that he had he had to and he was a

3324
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hundred year old as years old when they

3325
02:13:59,820 --> 02:13:58,210
started you saw God and God told him to

3326
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go to the land of Canaan then he

3327
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wrestled with or was Jacob that wrestled

3328
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with God so I look at this and I go

3329
02:14:08,820 --> 02:14:06,970
here's a guy that we hold out to be this

3330
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:08,830
great picture at this great man of God

3331
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and he had one five minute experience in

3332
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a dream that governed the rest of his

3333
02:14:18,180 --> 02:14:16,480
life I think that's what we have to do

3334
02:14:20,730 --> 02:14:18,190
with this stuff is say it seems like

3335
02:14:22,650 --> 02:14:20,740
it's more subtle nowadays but all

3336
02:14:24,450 --> 02:14:22,660
through history don't we have some of

3337
02:14:26,580 --> 02:14:24,460
the same things that we see that we can

3338
02:14:29,220 --> 02:14:26,590
we can point to that you look at the the

3339
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:29,230
stories or Incubus and succubus you look

3340
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at the stories of especially the last

3341
02:14:36,690 --> 02:14:34,780
generation of of alien abductions

3342
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:36,700
impregnation 's and things like that

3343
02:14:42,450 --> 02:14:39,360
that have gone on is this any different

3344
02:14:44,940 --> 02:14:42,460
than what supposedly happened back when

3345
02:14:46,770 --> 02:14:44,950
the Watchers descended down was it just

3346
02:14:48,990 --> 02:14:46,780
more overt back then

3347
02:14:50,970 --> 02:14:49,000
these beans came in and they physically

3348
02:14:53,370 --> 02:14:50,980
did they announced themselves hey yeah I

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am a son of God and I've come to

3350
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impregnate you how did they do this we

3351
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don't know how they carried out their

3352
02:15:00,089 --> 02:14:57,760
task

3353
02:15:02,459 --> 02:15:00,099
it could be still happening today an

3354
02:15:04,109 --> 02:15:02,469
interesting thing in the Genesis passage

3355
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:04,119
where talks about God is going to wipe

3356
02:15:07,140 --> 02:15:05,920
out this race but it also says right

3357
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,150
there and the methylene we're on the

3358
02:15:12,330 --> 02:15:09,840
earth in those days and also afterward

3359
02:15:14,010 --> 02:15:12,340
then you see several accounts in the Old

3360
02:15:15,540 --> 02:15:14,020
Testament were talking about oh we can't

3361
02:15:17,279 --> 02:15:15,550
do this because those are the children

3362
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:17,289
of a Mack the children of the methylene

3363
02:15:23,459 --> 02:15:20,050
so it was either an ineffectual judgment

3364
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,469
God passes this big watery judgment on

3365
02:15:28,109 --> 02:15:25,840
mankind wipe them all out and uh oops

3366
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didn't do what I wanted it to do because

3367
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they're still here Scotty the book of

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Jubilees that talks about that 10% of

3369
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the offspring of the Nephilim I guess

3370
02:15:39,930 --> 02:15:38,289
evidently survived but disembodied if I

3371
02:15:42,270 --> 02:15:39,940
remember correctly well here's an

3372
02:15:44,399 --> 02:15:42,280
interesting passage in in Enoch and this

3373
02:15:46,350 --> 02:15:44,409
is a portion I hid in my book because of

3374
02:15:48,390 --> 02:15:46,360
some of the the paranormal research I

3375
02:15:51,149 --> 02:15:48,400
had done over the years there's this

3376
02:15:52,770 --> 02:15:51,159
whole thing about demonology oh my god

3377
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:52,780
if I had a nickel for every time

3378
02:15:58,020 --> 02:15:55,360
somebody approached me and said I'm a

3379
02:16:00,120 --> 02:15:58,030
psychic I'd already have a small

3380
02:16:01,589 --> 02:16:00,130
Caribbean island that I'd be retired to

3381
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:01,599
and then if I had another nickel for

3382
02:16:05,370 --> 02:16:02,800
every time somebody said I'm a

3383
02:16:07,439 --> 02:16:05,380
demonologist you know I'd buy another

3384
02:16:10,770 --> 02:16:07,449
Island you know there's this whole

3385
02:16:13,890 --> 02:16:10,780
armchair demonology thing out there but

3386
02:16:15,180 --> 02:16:13,900
the whole demonology craze has hit in

3387
02:16:16,859 --> 02:16:15,190
the last few years I think with the

3388
02:16:19,140 --> 02:16:16,869
advent of the pop culture of all the

3389
02:16:21,540 --> 02:16:19,150
ghost hunting stuff not to mention any

3390
02:16:24,029 --> 02:16:21,550
names but I think that this has brought

3391
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:24,039
on this stuff and people approach it so

3392
02:16:29,220 --> 02:16:27,130
cavalierly Enoch talks about demons now

3393
02:16:31,770 --> 02:16:29,230
what do we say demons are by definition

3394
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:31,780
at least by Roman Catholic theology or

3395
02:16:36,089 --> 02:16:33,519
Christian theology they're the Fallen

3396
02:16:38,940 --> 02:16:36,099
Angels and so we talk about now it's

3397
02:16:41,070 --> 02:16:38,950
interesting in Enoch after he gives all

3398
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:41,080
this information about the Watchers and

3399
02:16:46,110 --> 02:16:43,330
the Nephilim and so on he says now the

3400
02:16:48,929 --> 02:16:46,120
spirits the ghosts of the Nephilim who

3401
02:16:51,809 --> 02:16:48,939
did perished in the flood he said they

3402
02:16:54,059 --> 02:16:51,819
are the ones that were born on the earth

3403
02:16:56,610 --> 02:16:54,069
and their spirits will remain on earth

3404
02:16:58,200 --> 02:16:56,620
they corrupted mankind and tormented

3405
02:17:00,390 --> 02:16:58,210
mankind while they were alive in the

3406
02:17:02,850 --> 02:17:00,400
flesh and it will continue throughout

3407
02:17:05,550 --> 02:17:02,860
time to corrupt with their spirits

3408
02:17:07,291 --> 02:17:05,560
sounds like the gin to me sound what's a

3409
02:17:08,460 --> 02:17:07,301
gin sounds like the demon who sounds

3410
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:08,470
like whatever you want to call it

3411
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:11,650
I believe demonology whoops back to the

3412
02:17:16,740 --> 02:17:14,170
nepheline hmm okay you know a lot of

3413
02:17:17,970 --> 02:17:16,750
beliefs here but again we have skeptics

3414
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:17,980
in our audience you're going to look at

3415
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:20,770
this okay we're hearing another rant

3416
02:17:25,560 --> 02:17:23,650
about ancient astronauts and this is

3417
02:17:29,041 --> 02:17:25,570
fine these are nice stories and maybe

3418
02:17:30,930 --> 02:17:29,051
they are true but we're going to prove

3419
02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:30,940
anything you know what I think this does

3420
02:17:34,260 --> 02:17:32,950
it's like I say it just adds another

3421
02:17:36,990 --> 02:17:34,270
Apple to the applecart

3422
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,000
all those skeptics out there skeptical

3423
02:17:41,430 --> 02:17:39,280
of this kind of thing start looking at

3424
02:17:43,020 --> 02:17:41,440
the theology and say there's theology

3425
02:17:45,331 --> 02:17:43,030
that even talks about the very same

3426
02:17:47,490 --> 02:17:45,341
thing in different in different clothing

3427
02:17:49,831 --> 02:17:47,500
it's talking about this stuff and you

3428
02:17:51,930 --> 02:17:49,841
got to start as a skeptic or a scientist

3429
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:51,940
or seller or just an atheist or somebody

3430
02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:53,290
just doesn't want to believe this stuff

3431
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:55,570
or think it's all a bunch of hooey you

3432
02:17:59,371 --> 02:17:57,040
got to start looking at and say wait a

3433
02:18:03,600 --> 02:17:59,381
minute there's so much information out

3434
02:18:05,041 --> 02:18:03,610
there that bolsters the case that and

3435
02:18:06,960 --> 02:18:05,051
yes we can't prove it

3436
02:18:09,690 --> 02:18:06,970
we can't definitively say it was this

3437
02:18:11,310 --> 02:18:09,700
this chrome colored spaceship that came

3438
02:18:13,380 --> 02:18:11,320
down and people got up and started

3439
02:18:15,930 --> 02:18:13,390
having sex with even women we can't

3440
02:18:18,660 --> 02:18:15,940
prove that but what we can prove is that

3441
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:18,670
the stories exist and they exist in all

3442
02:18:22,860 --> 02:18:20,290
these different cultures in all these

3443
02:18:24,630 --> 02:18:22,870
different forms and that says to me

3444
02:18:25,170 --> 02:18:24,640
there's you know where there's smoke

3445
02:18:26,581 --> 02:18:25,180
there's fire

3446
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:26,591
come on there had to be some type of

3447
02:18:31,740 --> 02:18:29,110
influence you couldn't have cultures

3448
02:18:34,010 --> 02:18:31,750
around the world getting information

3449
02:18:37,621 --> 02:18:34,020
with various levels of interpretation

3450
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:37,631
from apparently the same source either

3451
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:40,210
that source came from a single set of

3452
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:42,430
events that spread around the world or

3453
02:18:49,050 --> 02:18:46,450
there were simultaneous events amongst

3454
02:18:51,541 --> 02:18:49,060
all these ancient cultures which is also

3455
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:51,551
I was ridiculous it seems I had somebody

3456
02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:52,960
ask me a couple of weeks ago

3457
02:18:56,430 --> 02:18:55,030
what is the they were talking to me

3458
02:18:58,350 --> 02:18:56,440
about coming to an event and speaking

3459
02:19:00,180 --> 02:18:58,360
about this and well our event is all

3460
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:00,190
geared around the soul and spirit and

3461
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:01,690
all of this and how would your book

3462
02:19:06,630 --> 02:19:04,960
appeal to the soul I scratched my chin

3463
02:19:08,910 --> 02:19:06,640
whiskers for a minute said it doesn't

3464
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:08,920
what I'm not trying to appeal to the

3465
02:19:13,860 --> 02:19:10,690
soul and I'm not trying to appeal to

3466
02:19:14,250 --> 02:19:13,870
spirituality I'm trying to dig in to see

3467
02:19:16,620 --> 02:19:14,260
how

3468
02:19:19,290 --> 02:19:16,630
geom say there's a case to be made here

3469
02:19:22,620 --> 02:19:19,300
for something and that case looks like

3470
02:19:24,809 --> 02:19:22,630
this it says this in the theology but it

3471
02:19:26,099 --> 02:19:24,819
sure looks a hell of a lot like this

3472
02:19:28,490 --> 02:19:26,109
over here

3473
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:28,500
my main message of this book is it

3474
02:19:33,690 --> 02:19:31,210
stopped just regurgitating things you've

3475
02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:33,700
been taught whether it be religion

3476
02:19:37,339 --> 02:19:35,590
whether it being David Icke whether it

3477
02:19:39,870 --> 02:19:37,349
be your pastor whether it be whoever

3478
02:19:41,309 --> 02:19:39,880
don't regurgitate that and just accept

3479
02:19:43,740 --> 02:19:41,319
it because oh that's a neat theory I

3480
02:19:45,929 --> 02:19:43,750
think that's the way it happened I got a

3481
02:19:48,599 --> 02:19:45,939
big problem with people say well I feel

3482
02:19:51,450 --> 02:19:48,609
it was this well that's great see oh all

3483
02:19:54,719 --> 02:19:51,460
you want but feelings do not equate to

3484
02:19:56,099 --> 02:19:54,729
facts all the time you know like it's

3485
02:19:57,870 --> 02:19:56,109
like saying you know I had a horse with

3486
02:20:02,010 --> 02:19:57,880
my face once it doesn't mean she was in

3487
02:20:03,530 --> 02:20:02,020
love with me the horse will have to

3488
02:20:05,730 --> 02:20:03,540
basically channel the horse

3489
02:20:15,929 --> 02:20:05,740
communicating their horses say we do in

3490
02:20:17,519 --> 02:20:15,939
love yeah well I I just I keep saying

3491
02:20:18,990 --> 02:20:17,529
like I sound like a broken record on the

3492
02:20:23,099 --> 02:20:19,000
show that people have to do their own

3493
02:20:24,510 --> 02:20:23,109
research it can't let the culture your

3494
02:20:26,219 --> 02:20:24,520
culture is not your friend number one

3495
02:20:28,110 --> 02:20:26,229
and you shouldn't let your culture be

3496
02:20:30,750 --> 02:20:28,120
that would be the the single source for

3497
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,760
your for your research in your belief

3498
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:32,800
system I have also found a very

3499
02:20:39,950 --> 02:20:35,200
interesting that the quantum physicists

3500
02:20:46,590 --> 02:20:43,010
that you have to suspend your disbelief

3501
02:20:48,450 --> 02:20:46,600
and in in yeah the only way you can do

3502
02:20:49,559 --> 02:20:48,460
that is by being up to speed in these

3503
02:20:53,130 --> 02:20:49,569
areas and really doing your own research

3504
02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:53,140
I think some of it might like hail back

3505
02:20:58,500 --> 02:20:55,330
to the fear of letting go of what you

3506
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:58,510
were taught for me when I say my views

3507
02:21:03,690 --> 02:21:01,120
of God have changed I mean that but I

3508
02:21:07,080 --> 02:21:03,700
still have the tendrils of my old face

3509
02:21:09,540 --> 02:21:07,090
that come up and grab me and say oh

3510
02:21:11,790 --> 02:21:09,550
you're backsliding oh you're a reprobate

3511
02:21:14,130 --> 02:21:11,800
you're a heretic oh you're going to hell

3512
02:21:19,139 --> 02:21:14,140
now you know all those things come up

3513
02:21:22,860 --> 02:21:19,149
you'll get over it that may be what we

3514
02:21:24,990 --> 02:21:22,870
consider to be visits or interactions

3515
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:25,000
with God have nothing to do with it and

3516
02:21:28,990 --> 02:21:27,050
there is a God out there

3517
02:21:31,240 --> 02:21:29,000
maybe he she or it they're just laughing

3518
02:21:34,270 --> 02:21:31,250
at the foolish humans who believe this

3519
02:21:36,429 --> 02:21:34,280
stuff well when I said my view of God

3520
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:36,439
changed let me let me answer it this way

3521
02:21:40,599 --> 02:21:38,720
I see used to see a God the God of love

3522
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:40,609
the God that's waiting with open arms

3523
02:21:44,260 --> 02:21:42,170
for you the God that does this and does

3524
02:21:47,380 --> 02:21:44,270
it I think God gives a hill of beans

3525
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:47,390
about human beings now that goes back to

3526
02:21:51,790 --> 02:21:49,760
something John keel said a long time ago

3527
02:21:53,679 --> 02:21:51,800
and we'll get into what John keel said

3528
02:21:56,650 --> 02:21:53,689
about his vision of God kind of

3529
02:21:59,260 --> 02:21:56,660
expressed in his theories about ultra

3530
02:22:01,420 --> 02:21:59,270
terrestrials about computerized beings

3531
02:22:03,820 --> 02:22:01,430
that run the universe but unfortunately

3532
02:22:06,580 --> 02:22:03,830
they're not always saying in the way

3533
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:06,590
we'd regard is saying God is crazy

3534
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:08,810
Scott Alan Roberts joining us with Jean

3535
02:22:19,801 --> 02:22:12,530
and Chris you're in the para cast

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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[Music]

3632
02:26:51,930 --> 02:26:49,720
it's got Alan Roberts joining us with

3633
02:26:54,540 --> 02:26:51,940
Jean and Chris and the para cast so

3634
02:26:57,740 --> 02:26:54,550
Chris said well what qu'il said that God

3635
02:27:00,960 --> 02:26:57,750
is crazy what do you think Scott well

3636
02:27:03,900 --> 02:27:00,970
you know the old prophets of old and all

3637
02:27:06,570 --> 02:27:03,910
these holy men over the millennia it was

3638
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:06,580
always said that madmen were were had

3639
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:10,090
some connection to God now is that

3640
02:27:15,480 --> 02:27:12,730
because you look at the actions of God

3641
02:27:17,730 --> 02:27:15,490
and you say number one if he's what

3642
02:27:20,250 --> 02:27:17,740
theology systematic theology taught us

3643
02:27:22,380 --> 02:27:20,260
and in evangelical Christianity was a

3644
02:27:24,210 --> 02:27:22,390
God is all-knowing knows everything but

3645
02:27:25,740 --> 02:27:24,220
he does in acts these certain ways

3646
02:27:27,630 --> 02:27:25,750
already knowing that's going to happen

3647
02:27:29,580 --> 02:27:27,640
if I got up every day and knew

3648
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:29,590
everything that was going to happen it's

3649
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:31,570
just kind of a Groundhog Day that movie

3650
02:27:35,550 --> 02:27:33,280
do you ever see that yes by the time

3651
02:27:39,210 --> 02:27:35,560
he's at the end of 10,000 lives they

3652
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:39,220
assume but he is somebody who who knew

3653
02:27:43,260 --> 02:27:41,530
everything that was going to happen and

3654
02:27:45,210 --> 02:27:43,270
yet he went through the actions

3655
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:45,220
everything if God knows everything is

3656
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:46,930
gonna happen I go why do you even

3657
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:47,680
started

3658
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:49,840
you know you knew what was going to

3659
02:27:56,610 --> 02:27:54,640
happen is that the act of a unpardonable

3660
02:27:59,970 --> 02:27:56,620
madman is that the act of a mad

3661
02:28:02,160 --> 02:27:59,980
scientist insanity the definition of

3662
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:02,170
doing the same thing over and over again

3663
02:28:07,650 --> 02:28:03,610
and thinking that's going to turn out

3664
02:28:10,920 --> 02:28:07,660
differently right I think exactly and so

3665
02:28:14,010 --> 02:28:10,930
far be it from me to say I know more

3666
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:14,020
than God I I haven't thrown out the baby

3667
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:15,850
with the bathwater with any of this I

3668
02:28:20,250 --> 02:28:17,920
think God is there and I think that

3669
02:28:22,620 --> 02:28:20,260
there are things that exist but I rather

3670
02:28:26,490 --> 02:28:22,630
like the the words of Richard Fineman

3671
02:28:29,490 --> 02:28:26,500
the late Richard Fineman atheist yes

3672
02:28:31,260 --> 02:28:29,500
scientist I was listening to bits of a

3673
02:28:33,870 --> 02:28:31,270
lecture of his and he was talking about

3674
02:28:35,850 --> 02:28:33,880
all these stories these holy stories we

3675
02:28:37,500 --> 02:28:35,860
had and he was talking about the

3676
02:28:39,810 --> 02:28:37,510
universe and the vastness of it and he

3677
02:28:42,930 --> 02:28:39,820
said and he got almost impassioned about

3678
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:42,940
it he said for me he says these stories

3679
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:46,330
that said that God in one of his forms

3680
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:51,040
came here for this planet and manifested

3681
02:28:57,540 --> 02:28:54,880
himself he said seems so Kolak wheel so

3682
02:29:00,300 --> 02:28:57,550
local in the vastness of this universe

3683
02:29:01,500 --> 02:29:00,310
and he said I for one uncomfortable

3684
02:29:05,370 --> 02:29:01,510
feeling

3685
02:29:07,820 --> 02:29:05,380
than the cosmos and that did something

3686
02:29:10,260 --> 02:29:07,830
for me too on top of all this is that

3687
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:10,270
the vastness of everything that's out

3688
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:12,010
there yeah if you go by Satan you're

3689
02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:13,930
Sagan's famous that you've been mocked

3690
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:16,750
over the billions and billions of stars

3691
02:29:21,389 --> 02:29:18,399
you know there's billions of stars

3692
02:29:23,490 --> 02:29:21,399
amidst in our galaxy alone that could

3693
02:29:26,010 --> 02:29:23,500
host billions of planets like ours

3694
02:29:28,380 --> 02:29:26,020
there's billions of galaxies like ours

3695
02:29:30,269 --> 02:29:28,390
out there in the universe converter that

3696
02:29:31,530 --> 02:29:30,279
also include you know you do your math

3697
02:29:34,380 --> 02:29:31,540
on that you end up with this

3698
02:29:36,570 --> 02:29:34,390
astronomical infinite number and to say

3699
02:29:39,300 --> 02:29:36,580
that we are the only thing here

3700
02:29:42,090 --> 02:29:39,310
hailing once again that they did to

3701
02:29:44,219 --> 02:29:42,100
Sagan's a book contact that's an awful

3702
02:29:48,300 --> 02:29:44,229
lot of waste of space if we're the only

3703
02:29:51,269 --> 02:29:48,310
ones here and so in tying that into this

3704
02:29:53,580 --> 02:29:51,279
whole thing to say if God created this

3705
02:29:56,130 --> 02:29:53,590
here what did he create somewhere else

3706
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:56,140
or if God does not exist at all and he's

3707
02:30:02,450 --> 02:29:58,960
a manifestation of our trying to figure

3708
02:30:04,380 --> 02:30:02,460
it all out or put common sense to things

3709
02:30:07,170 --> 02:30:04,390
take this for example

3710
02:30:08,429 --> 02:30:07,180
you guys Chris you've been a paranormal

3711
02:30:12,780 --> 02:30:08,439
investigator

3712
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:12,790
correct correct so you know you can

3713
02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:16,000
experience something and you see it and

3714
02:30:20,130 --> 02:30:18,430
everybody might might might laugh at you

3715
02:30:21,480 --> 02:30:20,140
at your story but you're the one who saw

3716
02:30:23,880 --> 02:30:21,490
it and you experience it you go I know

3717
02:30:25,620 --> 02:30:23,890
this happened but ten minutes when

3718
02:30:28,650 --> 02:30:25,630
you're back outside having a smoke and

3719
02:30:30,990 --> 02:30:28,660
you're going so what I really saw you

3720
02:30:33,450 --> 02:30:31,000
know your mind already starts creating

3721
02:30:35,570 --> 02:30:33,460
cover stories for what you experienced

3722
02:30:39,570 --> 02:30:35,580
right I always had maybe

3723
02:30:42,480 --> 02:30:39,580
mankind humanity create these vast cover

3724
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:42,490
stories for what we experienced or find

3725
02:30:50,250 --> 02:30:47,050
ways to explain them I I used an example

3726
02:30:53,370 --> 02:30:50,260
of Joseph the husband of Mary Mary comes

3727
02:30:58,019 --> 02:30:53,380
in says I'm pregnant and it's with God's

3728
02:30:59,700 --> 02:30:58,029
Son and you can see Joseph going okay

3729
02:31:03,030 --> 02:30:59,710
and said he was going to put her away

3730
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:03,040
privately meaning uh I love her enough

3731
02:31:07,559 --> 02:31:05,770
but man the humiliation the shame and

3732
02:31:10,320 --> 02:31:07,569
understand this is done I'm not doing

3733
02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:10,330
this and then he has a dream and God

3734
02:31:14,229 --> 02:31:11,890
comes to him in a dream and says don't

3735
02:31:16,899 --> 02:31:14,239
put her away let's God the Son

3736
02:31:19,689 --> 02:31:16,909
and accepts that but you got a figure he

3737
02:31:21,369 --> 02:31:19,699
woke up in the morning and scratched his

3738
02:31:23,889 --> 02:31:21,379
nuts and grabbed a cup of coffee and

3739
02:31:26,889 --> 02:31:23,899
looked at the Rising Sun and went was

3740
02:31:29,409 --> 02:31:26,899
I'm the dreamer was that God and you

3741
02:31:32,170 --> 02:31:29,419
know he operated by faith after that

3742
02:31:34,630 --> 02:31:32,180
well that goes with the theory Scotty

3743
02:31:37,989 --> 02:31:34,640
that maybe there's a lot of political

3744
02:31:39,729 --> 02:31:37,999
correctness in the sacred texts that

3745
02:31:42,219 --> 02:31:39,739
they're saying things in a certain way

3746
02:31:44,289 --> 02:31:42,229
knowing well we've got to frame it this

3747
02:31:47,229 --> 02:31:44,299
way because we need to have this

3748
02:31:49,179 --> 02:31:47,239
accepted by the populace and if we say

3749
02:31:51,969 --> 02:31:49,189
in another way or if we even tell them

3750
02:31:54,369 --> 02:31:51,979
what really happened well it's kind of

3751
02:31:57,460 --> 02:31:54,379
like that song I dig rock and roll music

3752
02:31:59,679 --> 02:31:57,470
you know if we really said it the radio

3753
02:32:02,289 --> 02:31:59,689
won't play it so I've got to lay it or

3754
02:32:05,019 --> 02:32:02,299
say it between the lines so in this

3755
02:32:08,139 --> 02:32:05,029
sense they're doing the same thing which

3756
02:32:10,929 --> 02:32:08,149
is they can't say what really happened

3757
02:32:13,809 --> 02:32:10,939
they had to frame it in a certain

3758
02:32:15,639 --> 02:32:13,819
context well I believe that's part of it

3759
02:32:18,239 --> 02:32:15,649
as well I think well doesn't the Apostle

3760
02:32:20,920 --> 02:32:18,249
Paul when he writes about his

3761
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,930
experiences and he talks about having

3762
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:22,399
been brought up into the third heaven

3763
02:32:28,090 --> 02:32:25,520
and shown things that are forbidden for

3764
02:32:31,090 --> 02:32:28,100
me to repeat and so he doesn't repeat

3765
02:32:33,639 --> 02:32:31,100
them and I was given this thorn in the

3766
02:32:35,139 --> 02:32:33,649
flesh he called it to remind me daily

3767
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:35,149
that I'm not supposed to reveal this

3768
02:32:39,969 --> 02:32:37,520
stuff now was he just setting himself up

3769
02:32:41,559 --> 02:32:39,979
as it wasn't true and just like a lot of

3770
02:32:45,039 --> 02:32:41,569
religious leaders when we see today

3771
02:32:48,699 --> 02:32:45,049
you know I'm gobs o to the e last night

3772
02:32:52,119 --> 02:32:48,709
you know is this what Paul was doing was

3773
02:32:53,889 --> 02:32:52,129
he just another guy that or what did he

3774
02:32:57,130 --> 02:32:53,899
have a real message there did something

3775
02:32:59,499 --> 02:32:57,140
happen to him never no and the same

3776
02:33:02,050 --> 02:32:59,509
thing with all of this stuff what really

3777
02:33:04,869 --> 02:33:02,060
happened with the whole the gist of this

3778
02:33:07,809 --> 02:33:04,879
whole conversation is we know something

3779
02:33:09,579 --> 02:33:07,819
happened it's evident in religion it's

3780
02:33:12,819 --> 02:33:09,589
evident in science it's evident in

3781
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:12,829
history it's evident in archaeology but

3782
02:33:19,269 --> 02:33:15,350
what we'll never know at least up to

3783
02:33:22,179 --> 02:33:19,279
this point is what it really was but I

3784
02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:22,189
tend to think this and man this flies in

3785
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:24,409
the face of my personal faith of my past

3786
02:33:27,791 --> 02:33:26,720
personal faith where you want to look at

3787
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:27,801
some guy talked

3788
02:33:32,591 --> 02:33:31,040
isn't being an ex Christian once not an

3789
02:33:34,480 --> 02:33:32,601
ex Christian they still believe the

3790
02:33:37,810 --> 02:33:34,490
basic tenets of Christianity I can't

3791
02:33:40,390 --> 02:33:37,820
prove it but all of this says to me is

3792
02:33:44,051 --> 02:33:40,400
it true that man come created religion

3793
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:44,061
to explode the things in life why is the

3794
02:33:49,331 --> 02:33:44,690
sky blue

3795
02:33:51,940 --> 02:33:49,341
daddy well God made it that way you know

3796
02:33:53,921 --> 02:33:51,950
we can get to the science of why the sky

3797
02:33:57,341 --> 02:33:53,931
is blue but we can't explain how it came

3798
02:33:58,570 --> 02:33:57,351
into existence and so we create cover

3799
02:34:01,690 --> 02:33:58,580
stories for it

3800
02:34:06,430 --> 02:34:01,700
is there a I know one theory out there

3801
02:34:08,381 --> 02:34:06,440
is that this this race that impregnated

3802
02:34:11,711 --> 02:34:08,391
humans that tampered with our DNA that

3803
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:11,721
interrupted our development that there

3804
02:34:17,860 --> 02:34:15,110
was a cover story implanted in us now is

3805
02:34:19,360 --> 02:34:17,870
that just psychology that our minds

3806
02:34:21,341 --> 02:34:19,370
can't accept these things or that our

3807
02:34:23,261 --> 02:34:21,351
minds look for something else or is

3808
02:34:25,180 --> 02:34:23,271
there something there that's hidden what

3809
02:34:27,041 --> 02:34:25,190
do they say we use what one-eighth of

3810
02:34:29,980 --> 02:34:27,051
our brain or 112 of our brain in our

3811
02:34:31,810 --> 02:34:29,990
lifetimes does that mean that there's

3812
02:34:34,001 --> 02:34:31,820
something more there that's yet to be

3813
02:34:36,730 --> 02:34:34,011
uncovered or something covered up I

3814
02:34:39,761 --> 02:34:36,740
don't know all I know I think I think

3815
02:34:41,591 --> 02:34:39,771
that is probably a lot smaller for a lot

3816
02:34:43,241 --> 02:34:41,601
of people on the planet I think they're

3817
02:34:45,701 --> 02:34:43,251
lucky if they use one hundredth of their

3818
02:34:47,201 --> 02:34:45,711
brains it's interesting in the New

3819
02:34:50,201 --> 02:34:47,211
Testament I think it's Peter that says

3820
02:34:53,591 --> 02:34:50,211
and in those days he's talking about

3821
02:34:54,461 --> 02:34:53,601
like that eternal infinite something out

3822
02:34:57,341 --> 02:34:54,471
there is yet to come

3823
02:34:59,951 --> 02:34:57,351
and in those days our minds will be

3824
02:35:01,991 --> 02:34:59,961
opened that's always says it's a obscure

3825
02:35:03,820 --> 02:35:02,001
little verse and I think theologically

3826
02:35:05,350 --> 02:35:03,830
speaking he's saying the same thing we

3827
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:05,360
are here there's going to be a day where

3828
02:35:08,051 --> 02:35:06,530
something's going to be opened up we're

3829
02:35:09,730 --> 02:35:08,061
going to understand it but we don't know

3830
02:35:12,461 --> 02:35:09,740
that would be nice

3831
02:35:14,261 --> 02:35:12,471
tell us Scott Alan Roberts where can we

3832
02:35:16,720 --> 02:35:14,271
find more of the things you do and then

3833
02:35:19,241 --> 02:35:16,730
let's talk about your artwork on another

3834
02:35:21,220 --> 02:35:19,251
occasion your design workers that's just

3835
02:35:23,621 --> 02:35:21,230
fabulous than what's absent and being

3836
02:35:25,900 --> 02:35:23,631
the editor of the taps magazine and the

3837
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:25,910
obvious problems that the ghost owners

3838
02:35:30,251 --> 02:35:27,290
are having not being able to come up

3839
02:35:33,310 --> 02:35:30,261
with good material every week oh boy you

3840
02:35:35,051 --> 02:35:33,320
know I work as the editor in chief of

3841
02:35:37,301 --> 02:35:35,061
taps per night for a little over a year

3842
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:37,311
and I parted ways with them for my

3843
02:35:40,991 --> 02:35:39,200
personal reasons and I launched my own

3844
02:35:41,260 --> 02:35:41,001
magazine I'll tell you what tell our

3845
02:35:42,569 --> 02:35:41,270
list

3846
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:42,579
where they can find more of this

3847
02:35:48,939 --> 02:35:46,640
intrepid mag comm that is my magazine

3848
02:35:51,490 --> 02:35:48,949
that's my website you can go there you

3849
02:35:54,609 --> 02:35:51,500
can go to Scott Alan Roberts comm that

3850
02:35:58,779 --> 02:35:54,619
is my my portfolio website it's linked

3851
02:36:01,240 --> 02:35:58,789
up in my in my intrepid mag site as well

3852
02:36:02,500 --> 02:36:01,250
intrepid magazine is something I want to

3853
02:36:04,750 --> 02:36:02,510
say I want to get into these other

3854
02:36:06,370 --> 02:36:04,760
things i when I came on board at taps o

3855
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:06,380
is s what's your vision for the magazine

3856
02:36:10,689 --> 02:36:08,090
to help pull it out of the hole that's

3857
02:36:12,700 --> 02:36:10,699
in and I gave a big bullet list and said

3858
02:36:15,370 --> 02:36:12,710
I think we got to appeal more to more

3859
02:36:17,019 --> 02:36:15,380
than just the pop culture of television

3860
02:36:18,130 --> 02:36:17,029
ghost-hunting we've got to expand

3861
02:36:20,649 --> 02:36:18,140
there's an audience out there it

3862
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:20,659
couldn't get to rats but who keys about

3863
02:36:23,740 --> 02:36:22,010
ghost hunting but want to know

3864
02:36:27,929 --> 02:36:23,750
metaphysics they one of those science

3865
02:36:33,729 --> 02:36:30,550
invite should go to intrepid mag comm

3866
02:36:36,370 --> 02:36:33,739
and Chris he has a site to our strange

3867
02:36:38,469 --> 02:36:36,380
planet calm and to go to the power cast

3868
02:36:40,660 --> 02:36:38,479
calm you find everything we're doing

3869
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:40,670
Scott Alan Roberts thanks for joining us

3870
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:51,440
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3871
02:36:57,340 --> 02:36:54,479
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3872
02:37:01,070 --> 02:36:57,350
presentation of making the impossible